hello everybody
I want to inquire about copynes:
1.can it dump famicom carts
2.is it legal
3.is it sold outside THE USA.
4.how much is it?
5.is it easy to install it?
6.where can i buy it?
plz reply quikly 'cause i have some carts that i feel like dumping it and playing with it for a long time.
1. I see no reason why dumping through a Famicom cartridge to NES adapter, such as the "NES-JOINT" in some copies of the R.O.B. games, should fail.
2. I don't know because I don't know what country's copyright law to apply. You don't appear to have set the location in
your profile.
3. RetroZone appears to ship worldwide (
source).
4. 70 USD according to the product page. Shipping and customs duty are extra.
5. Do you know how to solder and desolder?
6. See the
product page.
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I see no reason why dumping through a Famicom cartridge to NES adapter, such as the "NES-JOINT" in some copies of the R.O.B. games, should fail.
do u mean it can't?
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I don't know because I don't know what country's copyright law to apply. You don't appear to have set the location in your profile.
I'm from egypt but i mean is it legal in USA.
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RetroZone appears to ship worldwide
i'm from egypt.will they deal with me with the egyptian currency?
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Do you know how to solder and desolder?
i know how to desolder but don't know how to desolder.
ouso1999 wrote:
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I see no reason why dumping through a Famicom cartridge to NES adapter, such as the "NES-JOINT" in some copies of the R.O.B. games, should fail.
do u mean it can't?
"No reason to fail" means it will probably work.
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I don't know because I don't know what country's copyright law to apply. You don't appear to have set the location in your profile.
I'm from egypt but i mean is it legal in USA.
I'm no lawyer, but Title 17, United States Code, section 117(a)(1), appears to claim that the owner of a copy has the right to dump a game for use on another platform.
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Do you know how to solder and desolder?
i know how to desolder but don't know how to desolder.
Huh?
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Huh?
sorry i mean i don't know how to desolder and know how to solder?
will retrozone agree to sell this product with the egyptian currency?
sorry another question
can i dump the games existing on my own famicom console?
ouso1999 wrote:
will retrozone agree to sell this product with the egyptian currency?
If you pay with a credit card, the credit card company will do the monetary conversion for you. They'll pay RetroZone in US$ and will charge you in your local currency.
Yeah you can dump Famicom with CopyNES via an adaptor. Technically you could use CopyNES with an actual Famicom console instead of a NES, but you couldn't fit it back into the case so you'd have to use it without the shell, which would suck.
BootGod wrote:
Yeah you can dump Famicom with CopyNES via an adaptor. Technically you could use CopyNES with an actual Famicom console instead of a NES, but you couldn't fit it back into the case so you'd have to use it without the shell, which would suck.
hi man
i heard of u that u're experienced in this field.
but can i dump the games which is on my famicom
console?and what do u mean with the adapter?
tokumaru wrote:
ouso1999 wrote:
will retrozone agree to sell this product with the egyptian currency?
If you pay with a credit card, the credit card company will do the monetary conversion for you. They'll pay RetroZone in US$ and will charge you in your local currency.
i know , but these companies here are swindlers and cheaters.and thank u 4 ur help
If you mean to dump the games that are internal to the console, that run if there is no cartridge in, then no, CopyNES won't help with that. You would have to remove the ROM from the system somehow, either by desoldering or cutting traces and wiring it all up.
CopyNES dumps carts, problem with an internal ROM like that is it's wired directly into the CPU in the system. Unless the CPU happens to be removable, then you could install the CopyNES board into it - but that only works for original systems and really old clone systems.
If you can do paypal, they do currency conversion also. Not sure about Egyptian currency though. (N/M, paypal = credit card anyways, unless they also work your bank)
Memblers wrote:
If you mean to dump the games that are internal to the console, that run if there is no cartridge in, then no, CopyNES won't help with that. You would have to remove the ROM from the system somehow, either by desoldering or cutting traces and wiring it all up.
CopyNES dumps carts, problem with an internal ROM like that is it's wired directly into the CPU in the system. Unless the CPU happens to be removable, then you could install the CopyNES board into it - but that only works for original systems and really old clone systems.
so it can be but not easily?????
Yeah, I guess it would be something like wiring up 40 pins (after identifying each one), which would also destroy it in the process, sounds tedious to do.
I'm curious what console you have, is it listed here?
http://www.ultimateconsoledatabase.com/famiclones.htm
Memblers wrote:
Yeah, I guess it would be something like wiring up 40 pins (after identifying each one), which would also destroy it in the process, sounds tedious to do.
I'm curious what console you have, is it listed here?
http://www.ultimateconsoledatabase.com/famiclones.htm
i haven't understood anything from that list.
is taking a photo of it okay?
Oh yeah, if your using a clone system, I highly doubt you could use CopyNES with it. Like Memblers said, the CPU must be removable in order to interface with CopyNES and this is not the case with any clones I've seen.
By adapter, I mean a 60-pin to 72-pin cartridge adapter which allows you to use famicom carts in a NES system.
BootGod wrote:
Oh yeah, if your using a clone system, I highly doubt you could use CopyNES with it. Like Memblers said, the CPU must be removable in order to interface with CopyNES and this is not the case with any clones I've seen.
By adapter, I mean a 60-pin to 72-pin cartridge adapter which allows you to use famicom carts in a NES system.
these are what i have , but i wanna the games on the second one
Dude, is that a FamiClone in a PSOne shell?
qbradq wrote:
Dude, is that a FamiClone in a PSOne shell?
It's not the only one. Google Image Search for
polystation sometime.
A few years ago in Brazil we had Polystations everywhere...
Have you looked into the kazoo?
http://sourceforge.jp/projects/unagi/wiki/kazzo_intro_en
It's designed to dump famicom games by itself (don't need to put it inside a conole). You wouldn't need to do any desoldering assuming you soldered everything properly the first time...
Has anyone here tried this out? I've been thinking about making one with a 72 pin connector mainly because it's so cheap. But I doubt it's even half as capable as the copynes.
This seems promising. I wonder whether the "disk drive access" part in "currently unsupported" means the dumping of FDS disks (and it's possibly the case, by looking at disk_access.c). It would make dumping stuff much easier if the software is completed.
qbradq wrote:
Dude, is that a FamiClone in a PSOne shell? Shocked
tepples wrote:
It's not the only one. Google Image Search for polystation sometime.
yes and wikipedia images also show that.
infiniteneslives wrote:
Have you looked into the kazoo?
http://sourceforge.jp/projects/unagi/wi ... o_intro_enIt's designed to dump famicom games by itself (don't need to put it inside a conole). You wouldn't need to do any desoldering assuming you soldered everything properly the first time...
Has anyone here tried this out? I've been thinking about making one with a 72 pin connector mainly because it's so cheap. But I doubt it's even half as capable as the copynes.
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do u mean the clone one with the cartridge open?
do u mean that i can dump without copynes?
Gilbert wrote:
This seems promising. I wonder whether the "disk drive access" part in "currently unsupported" means the dumping of FDS disks (and it's possibly the case, by looking at disk_access.c). It would make dumping stuff much easier if the software is completed.
i know it's easy 'cause u won't need a copynes.
but which of those consoles is the best?
u should know that i wanna the games on the second one which is the only works and the rest don't work[/b]
ouso1999 wrote:
infiniteneslives wrote:
Have you looked into the kazoo?
http://sourceforge.jp/projects/unagi/wi ... o_intro_enIt's designed to dump famicom games by itself (don't need to put it inside a conole). You wouldn't need to do any desoldering assuming you soldered everything properly the first time...
Has anyone here tried this out? I've been thinking about making one with a 72 pin connector mainly because it's so cheap. But I doubt it's even half as capable as the copynes.
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do u mean the clone one with the cartridge open?
do u mean that i can dump without copynes?
I don't understand what you're asking about the cartridge open clone...
As far as dumping goes without the copyNES goes, yes you can. It's not the only way to get data off the ROMs. There are other devices out there like the one I showed. The kazoo allows you to dump with out any hardware besides the components shown and a PC.
I'm really confused with what you're trying to do here. And the red text isn't helping unfortunately...
You want to dump carts to then play them on an original famicom?
I don't see the point of dumping carts to play everything on the original equipment...
infiniteneslives wrote:
I don't understand what you're asking about the cartridge open clone...
i mean what do u mean by this text , the famicom disk system or the famicom cartridge system?
infiniteneslives wrote:
I'm really confused with what you're trying to do here.
i'm trying to get info about copynes and how can i dump the games existing on famicom itself?
infiniteneslives wrote:
And the red text isn't helping unfortunately...
oh! i mean what is the best console of those which are on the previous pics , for dumping?
infiniteneslives wrote:
You want to dump carts to then play them on an original famicom?
no i want to dump them so that i can play them on the emulator (PC)
i wish u understood me now
Let me try to explain further.
OP owns a famiclone with several built-in games. He wants to dump those games for play in an NES emulator on a PC. What is the best way to proceed?
tepples wrote:
Let me try to explain further.
OP owns a famiclone with several built-in games. He wants to dump those games for play in an NES emulator on a PC. What is the best way to proceed?
Since it isn't a job for a newbie, send it to someone who's done it before. (no, not me) It most likely is one of two things: either a glop top single chip ROM+mapper dealie directly on the PCB with the NOAC, or it's a separate carrier board soldered to i.e. the bottom pins of the cart connector with a single chip ROM+mapper glop top on it.
The former case is hard to dump but can be done. Normally you'd hold the NOAC in reset so it tristates the busses, then dump the ROM that way (though, dumping CHR ROM can be difficult and it may require destruction of the NOAC or the traces to same).
The latter case is a bit easier; you have to desolder the carrier board and solder it onto a cartridge or something that can be plugged into a copynes / copyfami.
You can virtually guarantee that everything inside those units is going to be made as cheaply as possible, which means it will have glop tops and small PCBs. Also, these days, the pirate fami carts are generally down to just a single chip. They will have an MMC3+extensions and the ROMs built all into a single chip. Some of the older single chip carts were simpler and just had 128K of PRG and 32K of CHR, but some of the later ones have 256K of PRG and 256K of CHR. I assume these days that they can come with even more ROM than that. In any event, it's impossible to dump the ROMs on these types of cartridges any other way than by probing it with a copyNES or similar hardware. And be aware that it's almost guaranteed to have a new kind of mapper that is not emulated or reverse engineered yet. Most likely it will have an MMC3 + extensions.
kevtris wrote:
Since it isn't a job for a newbie, send it to someone who's done it before. (no, not me) It most likely is one of two things: either a glop top single chip ROM+mapper dealie directly on the PCB with the NOAC, or it's a separate carrier board soldered to i.e. the bottom pins of the cart connector with a single chip ROM+mapper glop top on it.
okay,i know tha's very hard and needs professionals.but what do u mean by i.e.?
kevtris wrote:
You can virtually guarantee that everything inside those units is going to be made as cheaply as possible, which means it will have glop tops and small PCBs. Also, these days, the pirate fami carts are generally down to just a single chip. They will have an MMC3+extensions and the ROMs built all into a single chip. Some of the older single chip carts were simpler and just had 128K of PRG and 32K of CHR, but some of the later ones have 256K of PRG and 256K of CHR. I assume these days that they can come with even more ROM than that. In any event, it's impossible to dump the ROMs on these types of cartridges any other way than by probing it with a copyNES or similar hardware. And be aware that it's almost guaranteed to have a new kind of mapper that is not emulated or reverse engineered yet. Most likely it will have an MMC3 + extensions.
the carts i wanna dump are old.they're since 1999 till 2003 and the console since 1996.so will they be easy for dumping?
tepples wrote:
Let me try to explain further.
OP owns a famiclone with several built-in games. He wants to dump those games for play in an NES emulator on a PC. What is the best way to proceed?
so i wonder if there is anyone here who had done that before
ouso1999 wrote:
kevtris wrote:
It most likely is one of two things: either a glop top single chip ROM+mapper dealie directly on the PCB with the NOAC, or it's a separate carrier board soldered to i.e. the bottom pins of the cart connector with a single chip ROM+mapper glop top on it.
okay,i know tha's very hard and needs professionals.but what do u mean by i.e.?
When written in lowercase, "i.e." means "
that is", and "e.g." means "
for example". A lot of people
confuse them. I think "e.g." was meant in this case.
When written in capital letters, "IE" means
Windows Internet Explorer, the web browser bundled with the Windows operating system.
tepples wrote:
When written in lowercase, "i.e." means "that is", and "e.g." means "for example". A lot of people confuse them. I think "e.g." was meant in this case.
When written in capital letters, "IE" means Windows Internet Explorer, the web browser bundled with the Windows operating system.
haha thank u , tepples 4 this info and i'm sorry 4 my ignorance of ur informal eng.u're helpful as usual like most members here.
guys, is there anyone who has dumped the games which's on console , before?so that i can send mine to him.
bootgod i wish u can.
ouso1999 wrote:
guys, is there anyone who has dumped the games which's on console , before?so that i can send mine to him.
bootgod i wish u can.
Not likely, only way I'd even attempt it is if it had a packaged ROM (i.e. not epoxy glob) or maybe if the globbed-rom was isolated onto its own mini-pcb with accessible connector. You should post pictures of the console insides, we could see what type of configuration it uses. I'm quite sure it will be as expected though.
You can get it from retrousb, but good luck getting support if it does not work right. Ive had a super nintendo power pak thing for over a year and have emailed several times because it does not work properly, and have not had a single email response.
thank u 4 the response.i'll take photos of it on 6-28.but could u tell me the units of it inside when i post its pics?'cause i don't know the packaged rom and the globe and stuff like that.
plz just wait till 6-28.
Tormenter wrote:
You can get it from retrousb, but good luck getting support if it does not work right. Ive had a super nintendo power pak thing for over a year and have emailed several times because it does not work properly, and have not had a single email response.
Did you only email? Theres like 5 different ways to contact him and most are live. This guy wont be asking for support anyway from retrousb. Otherwise questions like will they take currency would have gone to him, not a random forum.
these r the images of the console inside:
sorry if the images are bad qualities.
ouso1999 wrote:
these r the images of the console inside:
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sorry if the images are bad qualities.
Hmm, looks like gloptop city there. The blob on the lower left is most likely the PRG, while the one on the lower right is the CHR. The three DIP chips in the middle is the mapper, and the resistor, diode, capacitor on the lower left around the PRG glop is the reset detector, which detects when you reset the console, to reset the mapper and bring the menu back up.
Dumping this would be fairly difficult but theoretically possible. It'd be fairly easy to dump (all things considered) by cutting out the NES on a chip, but that will destroy it as a game console. Then a cartridge header would have to be placed where the connector currently is. This would allow it to be plugged into a copyNES for mapper probing and dumping. It might be possible to just hold the NOAC in reset (which tristates the PRG bus, not sure about CHR bus) and wire it into a cartridge header as before and try to poke it with copynes or similar.
Definitely a difficult and time intensive cartridge dump.
so i guess that will damage the console , so i'll forget that.
i have two other consoles , but they don't work.so can i dump with them.