By now, I'm sure most of you are familiar with the youtube
video of the alleged unmodded NES-2 with A/V out and the controversy surrounding it. Whether you believe it's real or it's a cobbled together nes and famicom is outside the scope of this thread. The idea of combining the two systems intrigues me. However, since I've never so much as touched an NES-2 or an A/V Famicom, I have no idea how difficult it would be. It looks as if you'd just need to replace the famicom's cart connector with the nes one and then put the entire thing into NES-2 housing and you'd be set. But how hard would swapping the cart connector be? Like I said, I've never seen the insides of either in person.
Also, is the A/V famicom capable of using the US light gun?
I'm just trying to figure this out before I plunk down good money on the two systems.
I speculate the model in question is a mod of an AV famicom...The layout is similar enough, but explaining the clean 72-pin connector and/or clean AV connector is another.
To use a 72 pin connector in a 60 pin connectors place a majority of the middle lines have to be removed, which would look "Scrunched" if used directly...To use an AV output without RF you'd have to remove the RF block and replace it with an AV connector. The aditional plastic was probably taken from the AV famicom, but again pins would have to be rerouted.
Unless someone can confirm or deny this unit, I'm at a loss of complete explination, but I can confirm that using a 72-pin socket on a 60-pin board would be tricky, but not impossible.
I cannot confirm if US/PAL Light Guns work in Port #2 or not, I'd assume Japanese light guns still work in the expansion port, though.
I seem to remember the 60 pin connector is mounted "backward" relative to the 72 pin connector.
Maybe Nintendo made it to clear out inventory of some of parts or something so they changed it to A/V for cost reasons. I don't see any reason to assume it's a hack job unless no one ever finds another NES system like it.
I have high res picts of that board and there is absolutely nothing to suggest it is anything but an authentic production system. The Famicom AV, RF top loader, and AV top loader all have significant differences between the boards.
In addition to swapping the cart connectors, which will take some major rewiring, the Famicom AV also has the expansion port on the side and likely a different power system. The expansion port is probably hacked off pretty easy, and the power socket may be a direct swap. Other than that everything else appears to line up.
No idea about the light gun but it probably works. If not you should be able to run wires from the Famicom expansion port to the controller port.
I heard about those years ago while lurking NES collectors forums.
I seem to remember hearing that someone had complained about the video quality with the toploader and sent it to Nintendo, and had an A/V version returned to them. I'm pretty sure some other collectors had them too.
Thats the story of the one I have pictures of, which I think is the same one as that video. It has an invoice from Nintendo to back it up. Work done in 2000 on (extremely) extended warranty from NOC.
It definitely exists.
I called Nintendo to complain about the vertical banding and they sent me one in return with AV out. I can't give a definite date, but I believe it was late 90's. Mine is in storage at my parents house across state. I'll try and pick it up at Christmas.
Is this replacement programme still in effect? Has anyone tried since 2000?
Wishful thinking. If the program was in effect and word got out I imagine anyone with a Top Loader with RF would send theirs in. I know I would if I had a top loader but I have the trusty toaster configuration and I see no problem with it. Plus I'm not sure you can mod the top loader for the extra sound from the PowerPAK or can you?
I think Nintendo stopped to do nes repair in 2004 or I'm confusing it with something else. I know they stopped to repair in Japan.
On
official english site they say this :
" Repair is No longer available
Due to the age of the system, we are unable to offer factory repair directly from Nintendo.
Although factory repair is no longer available, finding a replacement of your older product may still be a possibility, as some stores and auction sites offer used products. Click here to read some tips on where to start. "
Banshaku wrote:
Although factory repair is no longer available, finding a replacement of your older product may still be a possibility, as some stores and auction sites offer used products. Click here to read some tips on where to start. "
This can be used against Nintendo once it tries to break "first sale", the end user's expectation of an ability and right to resell a lawfully purchased product.
tepples wrote:
Banshaku wrote:
Although factory repair is no longer available, finding a replacement of your older product may still be a possibility, as some stores and auction sites offer used products. Click here to read some tips on where to start. "
This can be used against Nintendo once it tries to break "first sale", the end user's expectation of an ability and right to resell a lawfully purchased product.
What exactly does that/do you mean? I don't understand this sentence.
The copyright owner or patent holder ordinarily has the exclusive right to distribute copies of a work or products embodying an invention to the public.
Exhaustion of distribution rights after the first sale, or "first sale" for short, is a doctrine in most developed countries' copyright and patent laws stating that this exclusive right of distribution applies only to the first sale of a lawfully made product, not to (say) reselling the same copy. (For instance, in U.S. copyright law, see 17 USC 109.)
But over the past few months, video game publishers have been up in arms about the used video game market, complaining that used copies of a game at GameStop and local stores unfairly compete with new copies of the same game and with a publisher's other titles. (See these slashdot stories:
Slice of the Market and
Shut Up.) If Nintendo is recommending that customers exercise their first sale rights, then either the industry is hypocritical or (I'll assume good faith here) Nintendo differs from other publishers.
I have been modding top loaders for years and have done more than 300 units. I was really skeptical of scir91's a/v unit until a couple days ago I opened up a seemly normal unit only to find it was not normal, the motherboard layout is just like his a/v unit only it still has the r/f modulator installed. Interestingly enough, there are no lines in the video output. Obviously someone sent this unit in for repair and the whole board was swapped out. I suspect there are more units like mine in existence, but are rarely opened up to see whats inside. If you dont have "lines" in the picture from your top loader, check it to see if its been updated, you might be able to tell by looking into the vent holes in the rear of the unit, see what the rectifier looks like.
Check out pics of the unit I posted in a youtube vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcEpEs0wWkY
Time for a bump:
I spent a couple of hours today digging this out of storage at my parents house across state. It's been untouched for probably the last ten years. It's also ridiculously minty since I was a collector back then and I played on my toaster system rather than this beauty.
I have a tri-wing screwdriver but I'd honestly prefer not to open it. I guarantee you this is not some type of hack job. I don't even come close to having the skill set required to pull this off.
Part No: NESN-CPU-AV-01
I wonder if I could coax one out of NOA. Worth a call...
They may still have some laying about. Doubtful, but certainly possible. After all, they had NOS sets of "Stack-Up" all the way up to 1997.
-Xious
That's awesome! I really want one of these.