Any Good Shadowgate Arrangements?

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Any Good Shadowgate Arrangements?
by on (#72908)
I can't seem to find any. :(

I checked YouTube, VGMDb, even OCRemix, but either the Main Theme I'm looking for hasn't been done or it hasn't been done justice.

by on (#72909)
http://www.biglionmusic.com/music/arran ... rrior-king

by on (#72938)
Thank you! :D That one is by far the most awesome one I've heard. :o

by on (#72939)
I made a MIDI file of one of the in-game songs and then a few songs on AdLib.

by on (#72955)
You wouldn't happened to have uploaded that MIDI to VGMusic did you?

by on (#73049)
Years ago I remember hearing an Aphex Twin song that sounded similar to one from Shadowgate, I haven't been able to find the song since then, though. Could have been coincidental or something else, I don't know. But I think it was the music that plays when your torch is burning out.

On another note, in Uninvited, the music it plays before you talk to the lady in the hallway, I heard that song (or the exact same melody) on the radio when I scanning through stations (on an oldies station). Anyone know what that was?

by on (#73054)
Memblers: You might be interested in a list of coincidences(?) that I'm building.

by on (#73055)
I've noticed that lots of NES music sounds like snips of 70's and 80's rock music. I'm not really good with titles (of music), and I've not written any down, but I do recall that Castlevania II has some background music that sounds like a riff from a Heart song (or was if ELO, 'Don't get me down Bruce')?

by on (#75448)
Tepples, you might be interested in this:

Requiem
What is A Youth
Together

I don't think this is a coincidence - Ryu Hayabusa also looks like Leonard Whiting here:

Image

by on (#75461)
clueless wrote:
I've noticed that lots of NES music sounds like snips of 70's and 80's rock music. I'm not really good with titles (of music), and I've not written any down, but I do recall that Castlevania II has some background music that sounds like a riff from a Heart song (or was if ELO, 'Don't get me down Bruce')?


There's this and this

by on (#75463)
mic_ wrote:
clueless wrote:
I've noticed that lots of NES music sounds like snips of 70's and 80's rock music. I'm not really good with titles (of music), and I've not written any down, but I do recall that Castlevania II has some background music that sounds like a riff from a Heart song (or was if ELO, 'Don't get me down Bruce')?


There's this and this


This wasn't the track from CV-II that I was thinking of, but I definitely can here the similarities. The NES sound is simpler, of course. The frequency ramp up in notes followed by the rapid drop is eerily like the hair-band guy's rendition.

by on (#75466)
SNES rather than NES, but I recently found out about this and this (and the remix)

by on (#75903)
Jedi Questmaster: No, but I can. Sorry for the late reply I thought I already replied.

by on (#75919)
Doommaster1994 wrote:
Jedi Questmaster: No, but I can. Sorry for the late reply I thought I already replied.

Upload the AdLib songs too. I'd like to hear them :)

by on (#76010)
I'd like to hear it. :)

by on (#76162)
Here's another one!

Escape
Highway Star

by on (#76168)
Tepples are you interested too in a composeer ripping himself unintentionally ? I have a few example of Uematsu's who recycled his old songs unintentionally :
Final Fantasy V - Intension of the Earth (from 0:24)
Final Fantasy IX - Kuja's Theme

Final Fantasy IV - Wolrd Map
Final Fantasy X - Riding Shoopuf

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqtGBR80NWw[/url]Final Fantasy VIII - The castle[/url] at 2:12
Final Fantasy X - Brave Advancement

Of course those might have been intentional, but they're probably not.
I think I have about half-a-dozen more in mind, all with Uemastu, so if you are interested just ask.

EDIT : About the so-called similarity between Robo's theme and Never Gonna give you up, I disagree.

I listened both songs very carefully, I really love both of them but I can say that they aren't similar. It's just a coincidence that playing both at the same time isn't too horrible (what happens if you play two random songs together).

1) The melody is completely different
2) The rythm of Never Gonna Give You up is a simple "kick, snare, kick, snare" rythm while the rythm of Robo's theme is more complicated
3) The bassline of Robo's theme is a simple "daa--da-da-daa---da-da-daa....." pattern while the bassline of Never Gonna Give you Up is much more complex
4) In the end only the chords match more or less, but even then, you notice they aren't completely matching, they don't always change at the same time.

The reason the songs went well along is because the chord sequence is somewhat similar. Also they editied Robo's them when making it up, if you played the untouched original it would probably not work as well.

So I disagree both songs are similar. Considering the incredible amount of songs ever composed by the humanity, there is a extremely high probability that a song will have the same chord sequence as another as another on a part of it, and then your list could last forever.

by on (#76173)
Bregalad wrote:
Tepples are you interested too in a composeer ripping himself unintentionally ? I have a few example of Uematsu's who recycled his old songs unintentionally :
Final Fantasy V - Intension of the Earth (from 0:24)
Final Fantasy IX - Kuja's Theme

Final Fantasy IV - Wolrd Map
Final Fantasy X - Riding Shoopuf

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqtGBR80NWw[/url]Final Fantasy VIII - The castle[/url] at 2:12
Final Fantasy X - Brave Advancement

Of course those might have been intentional, but they're probably not.
I think I have about half-a-dozen more in mind, all with Uemastu, so if you are interested just ask.

Go ahead and start a user-space draft of a page about Mr. Uematsu's alleged self-plagiarism.

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EDIT : About the so-called similarity between Robo's theme and Never Gonna give you up, I disagree.

I listened both songs very carefully, I really love both of them but I can say that they aren't similar. It's just a coincidence that playing both at the same time isn't too horrible (what happens if you play two random songs together).

1) The melody is completely different

I agree that the "verse" isn't as strong of an example, but the comparison is between the "chorus" of Robo's theme and instrumental part behind the chorus of NGGYU. Copying a substantial part of a song is still infringement.

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2) The rythm of Never Gonna Give You up is a simple "kick, snare, kick, snare" rythm while the rythm of Robo's theme is more complicated
3) The bassline of Robo's theme is a simple "daa--da-da-daa---da-da-daa....." pattern while the bassline of Never Gonna Give you Up is much more complex

In all the case law I've read, judges have weighed melodic similarities more than drum and bass similarities.

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4) In the end only the chords match more or less, but even then, you notice they aren't completely matching, they don't always change at the same time.

In the melody of the chorus they do.

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Also they editied Robo's them when making it up, if you played the untouched original it would probably not work as well.

When determining similarity, a judge will ignore what key a song is in and how fast it is played. If a whole song needs to be transposed, that's valid. Otherwise, George Harrison wouldn't have got in trouble for "My Sweet Lord", which needs to be played faster and (in the first half) transposed up to match "He's So Fine".

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So I disagree both songs are similar. Considering the incredible amount of songs ever composed by the humanity, there is a extremely high probability that a song will have the same

Exactly my point. The moral of the project is that the case law for copyright in musical works is unworkable in the long term, and the only thing keeping the music industry from suing itself out of existence is a gentleman's agreement among the major labels to overlook minor similarities. An independent musician, on the other hand, can't claim the benefit of this agreement. Compare the Cold War-era state of mutual assured destruction, and see also a short story by Spider Robinson.

by on (#76176)
OK so to proof that Robo's theme is not similar with NGGYU, I took the time to analyse MIDIs from both songs and compare their sequences chords for the chorus (I didn't do it for the verses because they are obviously very different and don't blend together well at all).

The chord sequence for NGGYU is :
Gb7, Ab, Ab, Bbm
Gb7, Ab, Ab, Bbm
Gb7, Ab, Ab, Bbm
Gb7, Ab, Ab, Bbm

The chord sequence for Robo is :
G, A, A, Bm7
G, A, A, D
G, A, A, Bm7
G, A, A, B

First constat is that NGGYU is a semitone lower, so they had to transpose either song to blend them together. Here for the example I'll transpose NGGYU one semitone higher, which gives :
G7, A, A, Bm

Which is similar to Robo's chord sequence for lines 1 and 3, just that the 7th is placed at the first chord instead at the last BUT you'll note that the last chord is different for lines 2 and 3.

Also the melody is very different, there is no way you could call it similar. And please stop talking about lawyers and juges when there is no ROM download implied (it's not like if Rick Astley is going to sue Square).

by on (#76186)
Bregalad wrote:
Also the melody is very different, there is no way you could call it similar.

Time for a split track with just the melodies that I'm comparing. Here's the audio, and here's the screenshot from the tracker in which I composed the audio:
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|D#6 01 ...|D#6 01 ...
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|G#5 01 ...|^^^ .. ...
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|G#6 01 ...|D#6 01 ...
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|C#6 01 ...|C#6 01 ...
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|D#6 01 ...|D#6 01 ...
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|G#5 01 ...|C#6 01 ...
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|... .. ...|C-6 01 ...
|... .. ...|G#5 01 ...
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|G#4 01 ...|... .. ...
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|C#5 01 ...|... .. ...
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|C#5 01 ...|... .. ...

Except for the timing of the excursions to G#, the overall similarity of this combined with the kinda-sorta similarity of the bass line establishes the connection in the listener's mind.

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And please stop talking about lawyers and juges when there is no ROM download implied (it's not like if Rick Astley is going to sue Square).

It's been suggested that the reason Earthbound isn't on Virtual Console and Mother 3 isn't released outside Japan has a lot to do with the Beatles.

by on (#76213)
I can't listen to the .ogg currently as I'm at work but I will when I'll go back to home.
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It's been suggested that the reason Earthbound isn't on Virtual Console and Mother 3 isn't released outside Japan has a lot to do with the Beatles.

This might be possible, but I think the reason is that this game is highly securised and hard to emulate, and that Nintendo didn't find a way arround this (which is probably also why Battletoads, for example, isn't released for the VC).

by on (#76218)
Bregalad wrote:
I can't listen to the .ogg currently as I'm at work but I will when I'll go back to home.
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It's been suggested that the reason Earthbound isn't on Virtual Console and Mother 3 isn't released outside Japan has a lot to do with the Beatles.

This might be possible, but I think the reason is that this game is highly securised and hard to emulate, and that Nintendo didn't find a way arround this (which is probably also why Battletoads, for example, isn't released for the VC).


No offense but you're not telling me that Nintendo's emulator authors who work on this stuff ALL day can't emulate something a hobbyist can get working in hsi spare time? Hell they can hack the rom since they don't care about authenticity!

by on (#76238)
Tepples I listened to your .ogg and this isn't the melody. The melody is what Rick Astley is singing, the rest is part of chords.

As I already said the chords DOES match well for the most parts, but it's the ONLY thing that matches. The bassline is quite different, increase the bass of your amplifier if you can't hear it. Robo's bass is a simple rythm following the chords while NGGYU's bass is quite complex.