Voice your problems with me (blargg) here

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Voice your problems with me (blargg) here
by on (#68188)
Please post any issues you have with things I post or whatever. I'd like to resolve whatever issues people have with me, here or in private. If you don't want to resolve something, please don't make random attacks on me.

by on (#68193)
Your avatar has too much red in it. :)

*poke*

by on (#68196)
Idk, I like everyone on here so yeah.....If anything, thanks for not banning me for pulling alot of topics off topic. Sorry abut those... :oops:



I JUST DID IT AGAIN. -facepalm-


But nah man no problems with you here at all....It'd be a different thing if I was making a emulator and failed your tests though. ;)

by on (#68198)
I'm just a regular user like anyone else. I'm not a moderator, never have been. But come on, post here or contact me privately. I'd like to at least hear what problems people have with me, even if minor or trivial. I know Bregalad does, so I hope he speaks up at some point.

by on (#68199)
blargg wrote:
I'd like to at least hear what problems people have with me, even if minor or trivial.

Something like I did three years ago?

by on (#68216)
why would you think you bother anybody? I can't see how or why you would.

I can see why somebody might be a bit annoyed with me since I don't actually contribute anything to the forum related to NES software development, but for you this is not the case.
Re: Voice your problems with me (blargg) here
by on (#68220)
blargg wrote:
Please post any issues you have with things I post or whatever. I'd like to resolve whatever issues people have with me, here or in private. If you don't want to resolve something, please don't make random attacks on me.


Seriously? *I* personally have nothing but good/great things to say regarding your contributions to the dev/emu community and your posts here and PMs and real-time help you've provided to me in the past.

Realizing that's not what you're looking for with this post...but...gotta share my admiration anyway.

by on (#68233)
If this is in response to certain users calling you out on stuff in the previous threads, I think it's better for you to talk to them, rather than invite everyone to voice nonexistent problems in a thread.

From what I've seen around here, a lot of people just need to lighten up and stop taking everything so damn seriously. I understand it's nice to have serious discussion when it's time to be serious, but that's no reason for everyone to be so tense and defensive all the time.

Also, in before this post is completely disregarded. :P

by on (#68236)
you suck, blargg

you can resolve this suckitude by building a great debugger bmf can use to hax SNES ROMs because snes9x's geiger debugger blows

by on (#68240)
I remember when you had a problem with something I posted (or vice versa, I honestly forget who contacted who) we had a discussion in private about it via PM. I have respect for that.

Edit: But really, I don't want to get into this. I don't take issue with how you go about things.

Edit 2: Super but really. You're a good guy, blargg.

by on (#68249)
Drag wrote:
If this is in response to certain users calling you out on stuff in the previous threads, I think it's better for you to talk to them, rather than invite everyone to voice nonexistant problems in a thread.

The problem is/was that I don't know who has problems. I wasn't asking anyone to make up things, just to voice any problems they might have had.

by on (#68253)
I believe that your over thinking this and have invented a problem that simply dose not exist, I don't mean to be rude but perhaps this is more of a self esteem issue on your part. There is no possible way you have generated enough ill will to gain anything productive from a posting such as this.

If there is never a difference is opinion then nothing is really gained from discussion and a forum such as this serves little purpose.

by on (#68264)
Blargg, you are one of the most knowledgeable users here. I read some of the discussions you have here with other users, I really don't know even WTF you guys are talking about half the time. Your contributions to the NESdev community are huge.

There have been a few times, however, where I've been bothered by the way you've communicated with other users, myself included. Like Peppers has mentioned, I think you may sometimes create problems that don't exist. I remember one time where we were discussion who could be a new moderator, and I said something about "we don't need a tyrant", and you were asking me if I was calling you a tyrant. I of course, wasn't. That reading too much in to things can hurt sometimes.

Another time was when a new user posted a question in the Newbie Help Center, and your response was a link to "How to ask questions the smart way". That kind of thing, I think we could do without. You don't need to make people feel stupid, especially when they're new users who already feel stupid for asking basic questions.

The only other thing I find is that there is often just a slight vibe of negativity/pessimism in a lot of your posts. For that reason, it just doesn't surprise me that you created a topic like this, where as I'd be shocked if someone like tokumaru created a topic like this. I use tokumaru as an example, because I find him to be a very -optimistic- user. It seems as if you want to focus on the bad side of things sometimes.

I think you just need to lighten up. Have a more welcoming attitude. You've provided the NESdev community with so much information, it's ridiculous. Your presence is most certainly a "plus"; I just think it could be more of a "plus" if you showed a little more optimism/positivity.

by on (#68269)
Wow what Celius said is incredibly well worded.

As for me I have a major problem only with people who "kindly" ask how to make illegal bootlegs of their "favourite" (S)NES game (which is often a valuable one by collectors), to sell them later and make a lot of cash.
I also have a major problem with a specific member of this board (it's not blarg nor anyone who has been around recently) for a similar reason ("kindly" asking stuff here and earning lot of money from the answers), and I clearly stated it and explained why back when the problem became apparent to me. Since then I haven't ever posted in any of his threads because I don't want anyone to earn money from my advice.

by on (#68276)
Bregalad's objections are similar to why I sometimes get annoyed at new people's questions.

* Very little information about the problem posted.
* Information left out because the problem clearly couldn't be due to those things (or could it?).
* Original posts editied or heavily modified once problem is solved, without any posting of what the solution was. In other words, "hey, solve my problem, and then I'll just delete everything since I'm satisfied, never mind that it won't help anyone else".
* Not listening to responses given.

That's part of the more general thing that annoys me, is people doing things that seem a detriment to discussions. That's what How to ask questions the smart way is about: getting help in a way that isn't a zero-sum exchange between you and others. Anyone who has ever used Usenet is probably familiar with people who post a question but request that solutions be emailed, the classic selfish behavior that is purely zero-sum.

I agree with Celius that I have a negative tone a lot, but I disagree that one can just "lighten up" any more than one can get angry on command (method actors excluded). In fact, my experience has shown that ignoring things is the surest way to make them worse. Sure, it'd be nice to not get angry about anything, but it's not really a choice. I would like to deal with things better, which is one reason I started this thread. Interaction is the best way to alter perception, for example why I asked if Celius was calling me a tyrant in that incident a while back he mentioned. Merely ignoring it wouldn't make the perception on my part go away. Again, one cannot merely just "lighten up", and it's a bit frustrating to be told to do that. Thus, I asked him about it and altered my perception in a meaningful way. There's no question that much of my issues arise from outside nesdev, but there's not much I can do about it (I've tried for many years without success), so I've got to just deal with it as best as I can.

by on (#68277)
Blargg sometimes feels emotionally unavailable during hugs.

by on (#68289)
Celius wrote:
Another time was when a new user posted a question in the Newbie Help Center, and your response was a link to "How to ask questions the smart way".

I don't see anything wrong with Mr. Raymond's guide to support forum netiquette. In fact, see the sticky that has since gone up in newbieville.

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I think you just need to lighten up. Have a more welcoming attitude. You've provided the NESdev community with so much information, it's ridiculous. Your presence is most certainly a "plus"; I just think it could be more of a "plus" if you showed a little more optimism/positivity.

I agree that one shouldn't bite newcomers, but for every Plusle there must be a Minun, and for every Neo there must be a Smith.

by on (#68301)
tepples wrote:
Celius wrote:
Another time was when a new user posted a question in the Newbie Help Center, and your response was a link to "How to ask questions the smart way".

I don't see anything wrong with Mr. Raymond's guide to support forum netiquette. In fact, see the sticky that has since gone up in newbieville.

There's nothing wrong with the guide, Celius is saying it's the way it was posted. Even if you don't sense it, for many people there can be an understood "hey, you're pretty stupid, I'm linking this guide rather than giving you the help you wanted because I only feel disdain for you." And when someone calls them on it, they can deny the whole thing and say they meant it to be helpful.

Some people post this way all the time, sounding down-to-earth but being as rude as possible.

However, I do not mean to say that Blargg does this, or that anyone else on the board does this; just that people can interpret it that way and they're not always wrong.


As for my own commentary on this thread, I haven't noticed Blargg in particular saying or doing anything really unreasonable, for the most part. I like a lot of people here and respect even more. Some people seem to be needlessly negative, but for the most part it's a good board full of great information.

by on (#68310)
UncleSporky wrote:
Even if you don't sense it, for many people there can be an understood "hey, you're pretty stupid, I'm linking this guide rather than giving you the help you wanted because I only feel disdain for you."

Whenever I've posted it, it was to say "stop being selfish; put some effort into posting about your problem, so that the time we spend answering can have the most benefit". I make a a fair number of posts with what I consider kind of subtext, and I do believe that most people pick up on it, even if they can't put their finger on it (I'm saying that they are affected in a bad, non-constructive way). I try to avoid this, but it's difficult sometimes with the quality of some "help wanted" posts. It's all in perception, of course, which is why I work on trying to be sure I'm accurately perceiving whether someone is really being careless and selfish.

by on (#68317)
I don't think that it always because of people are selfish. I would more say that people are "lazy" and this is human nature ;) People don't do effort unless they really need to.

Putting the "in your face" message about their selfishness/laziness won't bring any constructive criticism since people will never admit it in the first place anyway (human nature, again). Some people may start on a bad feet (don't know if it's english or not) and re-adjust once they "get used" to the community. The people that really have interest in the subject will make effort in the end and "fit-in". The others, they will just drop and go away.

So the snarky message like "Let me google this for you" or anything similar will not bring anything to any new member in the community: you're just wasting your time and there are other ways to say it more politely. I don't see any issues to use those kind of message for existing users when you want to be sarcastic (like I always like to do) and put some humor into it when original members are just plain lazy, why not? ;)

In brief: It may be appropriate in some situation to point it out if humor is used adequately. In other, it doesn't bode well. The thing is to be able to figure out when it's appropriate or not to use them.

by on (#68320)
IMO the fellow you called out was long deserving of that, and the only real accusation to be made would be a lack of sugar coating. You were kinder and more soft-spoken than I would have been.

Threads like that one are why I usually avoid General Discussion, as they tend to be holy wars with no clear correct side.

by on (#68321)
your name is similar to byuu which makes it hard to distinguish, please consider using "BLARRHGHGHGHHBFKHBFLBFKHBDFlbKHFDLBKHFBL" to make it easier.
if you can't tell these posts are sarcasm and the first one was also wrong, mistook him for byuu
Re: Voice your hygiene problems with me (blargg) here
by on (#68322)
Yay! :D A bash Blargg thread!

Let's see... ummm... Image

no, that was Dwedit... Image

hmm, I don't think I have any beefs with you. Image Except for this:

Image

I mean, what the hell is this supposed to be for?

by on (#68323)
blargg wrote:
Again, one cannot merely just "lighten up", and it's a bit frustrating to be told to do that.


Okay, that's fair enough. It's kind of like telling someone who has been diagnosed with depression to lighten up; it's not that easy. However, the online environment is a bit different from face-to-face interactions. When you're around someone and you're in a bad mood, there are various things people can pick up from you where they can tell you're in a bad mood. It can be very hard to hide what you're feeling. But when posting online, you are making a choice, every time you hit a key on the keyboard, to communicate a certain message. Your mood doesn't have to be put in the mix. Even if you're feeling like crap, you can write a sentence that indicates otherwise (or a completely neutral sentence that has no emotion).

With that said, I find when you are mixing in a negative tone, you are to some extent, going out of your way to mix it in; in other words, it's voluntary. If you're going to volunteer to write a post, you may as well volunteer to write a more positive post, than a negative post.

Now, about people posting generic questions, and giving little information. I see where you're coming from with this. It is in a lot of cases, a reflection of one's selfishness to simply post "how do I do this?" or "can someone post code that does this?", but a lot of times it isn't. For example, when I first came here, I asked questions and provided very little additional information with what I was trying to do, simply because I didn't know what additional information was required. I thought there were simple, single answers to a lot of the questions I asked. Often, the answer I got was "what exactly are you trying to do?" or "there's more than one answer to that question; it depends on what you're doing."

You need to first determine when exactly you are dealing with a user who doesn't know what additional information is required, and when you're dealing with someone who's just lazy, before you write something like "just f***ing google it".

I will fully admit, however, that I didn't at times listen to the responses given, and this isn't an acceptable behavior. Also, it might have had a lot to do with the fact that I was way in over my head; I had absolutely no clue what I was doing and I asked questions about things way beyond someone who doesn't even know how to code basic programs. In that aspect, any frustration with such users is completely understandable. The right thing to do with such users is probably to advise they start small, and learn more about programming in general before moving on to game programming. Unfortunately, a flaw of my character, impatience for working toward long-term goals, got in the way of me listening to such advise.

What I find funny is that in that scenario, blargg was kind enough to contact me through email and offer to help me out, as well as answer additional questions I had. That, I found very respectable. I benefited a lot from that. And during that time, I didn't get any of this negative tone from blargg that I'm talking about right now. And actually, that's probably why I found our conversations so helpful.

by on (#68330)
blargg wrote:
Whenever I've posted it, it was to say "stop being selfish; put some effort into posting about your problem, so that the time we spend answering can have the most benefit".

Is the following wording any better?

Would you please clarify your issue? That would make it easier for us to understand what's going wrong. Here are some tips on how to clarify a question.

Banshaku wrote:
Some people may start on a bad feet (don't know if it's english or not)

Close. "Some people may get off on the wrong foot." But foot analogies are lost on some.

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So the snarky message like "Let me google this for you" or anything similar will not bring anything to any new member in the community: you're just wasting your time and there are other ways to say it more politely.

What's the most polite way to say what Google keywords produced a given result, in order to help improve the asker's web search skills? But I will admit that this was more important before we had a wiki.

Xkeeper wrote:
your name is similar to byuu which makes it hard to distinguish

Ed, Edd, and Eddy have similar names, but few have trouble telling them apart. Likewise with lava dragon and mistake. But Eddie and Lucas, on the other hand...

by on (#68333)
blargg wrote:
UncleSporky wrote:
Even if you don't sense it, for many people there can be an understood "hey, you're pretty stupid, I'm linking this guide rather than giving you the help you wanted because I only feel disdain for you."

Whenever I've posted it, it was to say "stop being selfish; put some effort into posting about your problem, so that the time we spend answering can have the most benefit". I make a a fair number of posts with what I consider kind of subtext, and I do believe that most people pick up on it, even if they can't put their finger on it (I'm saying that they are affected in a bad, non-constructive way). I try to avoid this, but it's difficult sometimes with the quality of some "help wanted" posts. It's all in perception, of course, which is why I work on trying to be sure I'm accurately perceiving whether someone is really being careless and selfish.

Right, and again I hope you don't think I was accusing you of meaning that, just that some people interpret that way if the statement is blunt without friendlier context.

by on (#68343)
tepples wrote:
Close. "Some people may get off on the wrong foot." But foot analogies are lost on some.


Offtopic: For some reason I knew what the picture was going to be about :lol: I want to know someday where that "interest" came from. It's in many of your work. Maybe some inside joke or something? Or maybe this?

by on (#68351)
Banshaku wrote:
tepples wrote:
But foot analogies are lost on some.

Offtopic: For some reason I knew what the picture was going to be about :lol: I want to know someday where that "interest" came from.

Weebles by Playskool. A few generations of the toyline (such as 2004's "Weebleville") were made with molded faces and arms as opposed to the egg-shapes that Playskool just recently returned to. I was exposed to one of these sometime around 1996. But they seem to go back and forth between eggs vs. molded by generation, as does Nintendo with dragon-style Blargg and blob-style Blargg.

by on (#68405)
I would just like to say that not everyone in the world in an independent learner, some people have a much greater difficulty trying to learn from documents and need some help from others. This dose not mean they are stupid or less than those who can, its just each persons mind works in its own way. This is something that should be remembered.

by on (#68408)
If someone is clearly out of his depth and yet ignoring advice to try simpler things first, he's basically just asking you to do things for him under the guise of him doing it. It's within his capability to go back to simpler things, but he's choosing not to. That sometimes annoys me. It's hard not to see that as selfish, wasteful behavior.

I've no problem with someone who has attempted to understand and is asking for help, especially if he explains what his understanding is, so we know what to build on and so we can diagnose the shortcomings with current documentation. It's not basic questions that are annoying; it's questions that are due to not putting forth effort. See a recent thread about NES initialization for an example of good effort and the learner providing useful feedback so that those helping can see that they are indeed helping, and seeing what works/what can be improved.

by on (#68422)
I try to avoid threads like this (as much as a big part of me doesn't want to), but I thought I'd drop by an state my piece. Remember, I'm just one guy, so my vote/opinion/whatever should hold as much ground as anyone else.

I don't have a problem with the way you communicate at all, blargg. In fact, when you started making an appearance on the nesdev forum, I was delighted to see a new face that consisted of someone knowledgeable *and* wanted to share details in such a way that made sense to readers. It also helps that your focal point was on NES audio, which is something a lot of people took a stab at without knowledge of waveforms and EE (myself included!).

You take the time to explain things; this was one of my biggest irritations with the nesdev community (highly technical/knowledgeable people who would be as terse as possible, almost as if they were intentionally trying to piss you off). So, I thank you for your time and your efforts here.

Anyway, all that said...

I think it's important that all of us take into consideration that we're all different. What does that mean exactly? This: we all have different personality or even mental quirks (OCD, ADD, Asperger's, forms of narcissism, etc.), we all think differently, we all react differently, and we all have different senses of humour (I, for example, will never understand tepples). Diversity in mind, body, and soul is one of the things that makes us humans an amazing species. Learning to communicate and "deal" with one another is part of any community effort (and is a big problem in open-source communities too).

I mean, try to imagine a purely homogeneous nesdev community -- straight up Children of the Corn shit, let me tell you...

by on (#68457)
koitsu wrote:
we all have different senses of humour (I, for example, will never understand tepples).

I'm aware that the quirks of my twisted Aspie mind could fill a wiki. So feel free to PM me about jokes that you don't understand.

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I mean, try to imagine a purely homogeneous nesdev community -- straight up Children of the Corn shit, let me tell you...

Children of the KoЯn, on the other hand, can identify the track from Covers vol. 1 that I'm thinking of.

by on (#68476)
you're a great guy blargg :)
random attacks? you deserve the opposite: r_e_s_p_e_c_t

by on (#68501)
There are two elements: technical things I've contributed, and the tone of posting I make. It's possible to contribute a lot but still be mean sometimes. I don't think technical contributions excuse being mean, no matter how much is contributed. People may think the tradeoff is worth it and excuse the latter so as not to lose the former, but that's strategic. Bregalad, here's a perfect example of the economics I was saying are everywhere. :)

by on (#69043)
koitsu wrote:

You take the time to explain things; this was one of my biggest irritations with the nesdev community (highly technical/knowledgeable people who would be as terse as possible, almost as if they were intentionally trying to piss you off). So, I thank you for your time and your efforts here.


I think I have that problem. See, as good as I am at understanding things, sometimes I fail at explaining things. Sometimes I get frustrated at people when I have to explain things more than a few times, although this varies based on how technical or difficult things are (for example, I don't expect the average layperson to understand what the hell strobing a register means). Sometimes I make the mistake of assuming a person will understand what I've explained the first time they read it. But I realize I'm not perfect and I'm trying to improve myself.

koitsu wrote:
I mean, try to imagine a purely homogeneous nesdev community -- straight up Children of the Corn shit, let me tell you...


I think we'll be safe as long as the homogeneous community doesn't take up residence in Gatlin, Nebraska.

by on (#69045)
doppelganger wrote:
(for example, I don't expect the average layperson to understand what the hell strobing a register means).

I just recently finally understood the origin: a strobe light. It flashes and you see a lingering afterimage of whatever was happening at that moment. And this is what the controller strobe does.

by on (#69053)
blargg wrote:
I just recently finally understood the origin: a strobe light. It flashes and you see a lingering afterimage of whatever was happening at that moment. And this is what the controller strobe does.


What, it leaves an afterimage of whatever buttons were pressed on the buffer chip inside the controller? To the tune of rave music? Unn tss unn tss unn tss unn tss?

by on (#69069)
Pretty much. The un (followed by a zéro) leaves the afterimage of the keypresses in a shift register; the "tss" is the clock signals that push each bit through the line and out the controller port.