If they are smart enough to make ASM hacks off the very little documentation, how come they sometimes say very noobish things like:
-a 64x64 sprite is very CPU consuming
-ripping backgrounds from DKC (albeit with the animation and parallax removed) instantly makes your SMW hack more technically impressive or CPU consuming.
After all this time, shouldn't their own experience as a programmer shine through?
Maybe because they're not the same people?
Who cares? In the time you've spent being rattled by people on that forum, you could have gotten that many more hours of work done on a project of yours. Honestly...people like that aren't worth your time. Seek out people who really do know what they are talking about, and make friends with them. Then you can forget about reading egotistical blather on that forum. Maybe stick around nesdev longer, there seems to be way less of that nonsense here. There's the occasional barb, but that's about it.
SMWC's community is full of idiots, and I know a bunch of programming-competent people who will confirm this.
Anything you see on their forums, you should take with a grain of salt. There are a few people who know what they're doing there, but they're drowned out by a bunch of crap. That crap is a combination of people saying stupid things, and them trying to respond to the stupid things (and not succeeding). Often, everyone ends up looking bad.
Then again, this is typical of any large community, which I would have the same advice for.
The problem is the snes document I had back in the smwcentral days had a flaw that prevented me from getting my program from working.
It stated:
Quote:
$2100: a000bbbb
a:
0: forced blank
1: active display enable
It took me a long time to find out it was an error in the document, and it really was:
Quote:
$2100: a000bbbb
a:
0: active display enable
1: forced blank
Have you found substantial errors like that in the documents on wiki.superfamicom.org?
psycopathicteen wrote:
Why come those people are smart enough to make ASM hacks off the very little documentation, but at the same time say very noobish things like
Pot, kettle, black.
blargg wrote:
psycopathicteen wrote:
Why come those people are smart enough to make ASM hacks off the very little documentation, but at the same time say very noobish things like
Pot, kettle, black.
Why do you go out of your way to defend smwcentral? They are poison for the homebrewing community.
Huh? I don't understand how that phrase applies to what I've wrote?
I think the point is that "Why come" is unidiomatic in Standard English. It also appears that you haven't filled in the Location field of
your profile. If you can show that you're not a native English speaker, people tend not to let your grammar failures color their perception of your intelligence.
tepples wrote:
If you can show that you're not a native English speaker, people tend not to let your grammar failures color their perception of your intelligence.
Unless you regularly put other people down without apparent provocation, which tends to make others less tolerant, regardless of your native language.
I changed "Why come" to "If".
psycopathicteen wrote:
I changed "Why come" to "If".
The best replacement would probably be "how come", since "but" doesn't really fit a sentence that starts with "if".
Anyway, I don't know anything about this smwcentral place, but every community has dumb people. Some also have smart people, but no community has
only smart people, so I'd say it's fairly common to see good things and dumb things coming from the same place.
English is my native language. My brain is just wired for talking to people face to face. I try to rewiring my brain to work on the internet, but people are just really robotic on internet forums. There are more feelings that just happy and angry.
Another thing that drives me crazy is when people say "posting with the sole intent of..." How do you know what the intent of posting was? You can't read my mind. You can't even hear my tone of voice or see my body language. What makes you think you can read my mind?
Don't worry, blarg and tepples never had any feeling, it has always been like that. You should be used to it.
psycopathicteen wrote:
There are more feelings that just happy and angry.
That isn't so clearly true in my Aspie mind.[1] Feelings get
projected onto a line from frustration to lack thereof, though there are probably several dimensions of frustration.
Quote:
Another thing that drives me crazy is when people say "posting with the sole intent of..." How do you know what the intent of posting was?
I try to
assume good faith and then
look for a contradiction that invalidates the assumption. The nature of this contradiction and a user's posting history combine to indicate the most likely intent.
[1] A psychiatrist told me I have Asperger syndrome. I try to keep it under control.
Your fine. I was refering to Blargg. He thinks I posted this to "put people down."
I was talking about your actions on this forum. Putting a person down is an action. Several times you've posted messages putting down other people. That may not have been your intent, but it's what you posted. You've edited some of them so I can't show you what I mean anymore. I wasn't claiming your purpose, since I can't know that. All I'm asking is that you stop starting threads where you open by putting down some person because of their skill level at something or the way they programmed something. If you want to critique their work, fine, but stop putting the people themselves down.
Now, I'm sure you or someone else is all ready to retort that in this very thread I'm putting you down, where I referred to you as the pot calling the kettle black. That referred to the fact that you were putting down these SMW people for their errors, while you made at least two English errors in your own posting, one very obvious. The point is that you didn't need to be putting those people down in the first place; doing something offensive like that opens you to a higher level of criticism.
I've done my share of being mean to people here, I've apologized for plenty of incidents, and if anyone wants to bring up an issue with me, I will discuss it. I don't appreciate random attacks as Bregalad made above, and I don't think I randomly attack people like that either. Again, if you think otherwise, bring it up with me. Put forth your criticism. In fact, I'll open a thread for anyone who wants to criticize me and discuss it.
Maybe if you'd stop escalating the problem and just let me win for once I'd be happy and I'd no-longer need to bottle up my hatred for smwcentral and smkdan. Everybody has a double-standard for me. What isn't allowed for me is perfectly accepteable when everybody else does it.
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Maybe if you'd stop escalating the problem and just let me win for once I'd be happy and I'd no-longer need to bottle up my hatred for smwcentral and smkdan. Everybody has a double-standard for me. What isn't allowed for me is perfectly accepteable when everybody else does it.
So you're basically saying that I shouldn't post or even privately tell you of things you're doing that bother me, but it's OK for you to post those things publicly attacking others and with nobody calling you on it?
Initially I privately contacted you about issues I was having with your posts, and you brushed me off saying it was none of my business what you did on these forums. Nowhere am I calling you an idiot or incompetent, starting threads to put you down. I don't see a double standard I'm applying here. I may be missing it, so help me understand. I do see a double standard you're applying to me. You're saying that I have to put up with whatever you do here and not make a peep about it, while you can put people down who are
not even here to defend themselves.
You're annoyed with smwcenteral and smkdan? Say so. "I'm really angry at the people at smwcentral for their incorrect technical documents. I have wasted lots of time on them, only to discover they're incorrect and the cause of my programs not working. I don't understand why they haven't improved in skill after all these years of doing hacks. How could they still make such basic errors after all that time? It's also annoying the way they think that a particular graphic effect will make everything good, as if that eliminates all the problems with their code." Of course, the best thing to do is contact these people directly and air your complaints, but that's not always possible if they aren't willing to talk about it.
This is a community. In such things, people discuss problems they have with each other and try to work something out. I've tried several ways of resolving this with you. It's not hard to participate with others in resolving things in a way satisfcatory to all parties. Granted, most of us get trained to not solve problems well, but it's always possible to start learning. It's not a zero-sum situation if the goal is resolution. Nobody need be left angry or the loser.
Two words: "kill file":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_file
I don't know if this forum supports it though. Ahhh.. the good old days of UDP (Usenet Death Penalty).
But seriously, attacking others is counter-productive to our community. When I get ready to fight over something I sometimes stop and ask myself, "Will this matter in 20 years from now? Will I even remember it?" If the answer is no, then just walk away. Other times I forget, pick a fight, and then feel like an ass afterwards.
Vigorous technical debate is good though.
I should take my own advise and consider if I should submit this post or not. Should I really inject my opinion here? Probably not. I hope to not upset anyone.
What I said wasn't to be taken seriously ! I don't even know what is that smwcentral thing is and I just saw some kind of flame war was started here, so I tried to put a touch of humor, and apprently fell flat on my face. I didn't know about tepples psychological issues, and never thought that blargg would consider it a personal attack.
Both of you have contributed incredibly well to the NESDev scene, and this forum is usually a great place where people never flames others (but this thread seems to be an exception).
I was just attempting to calm down psycopathicteen. Not only I didn't calm him, but I also angered the other protagonits
So again I'm really sorry, and if you guys would stop fight too this would be amazing. And blargg is right there is no reason to make a thread to bash people that aren't even there (even if I know nothing about them or their stuff). I did exactly this once, and man I took my lesson. The guys signed up there and replicated - they literally smacked me hard. (this thread probably still exists but man I'd be the last to want to link to it). I really took my lesson this time and will never do it again.
Now I took yet another lesson and know I shouldn't do anything when there is a flame between other members (except maybe ask for the topic to be locked like I did last time I remember there was one here).
I'd have used a killfile years ago here if it existed, as I'm sure others would have. Even so, such things can allow a fragmented community and never-ending indirect attacks between people who have unresolved issues. It's not the best approach.
I'd love for this place to be for technical discussion. When there's something that's marring that, I contact the person and see whether it can be worked out. Keeping silent is stupid; how are problems going to be resolved if you just put up with them? That just leads to anger seeping out in every post, and worse problems. I think constructive fighting is something people should do more of, because without it they go around doing destructive things towards each other in every interaction, without ever improving things. I regret not having spoken up more in the past about things.
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Maybe if you'd stop escalating the problem and just let me win for once I'd be happy and I'd no-longer need to bottle up my hatred for smwcentr
Everyone has hatred against a bunch of things, but it's always a great idea to say off the subject as much as possible. Especially starting a thread about the subject is not a good idea.
I could do thread about hatred I have against quite a few things, NES-dev or video game related or not (Metroid on NES, Action 52, crappy chinese famiclones and pirated games, the recent decay of the Final Fantasy series, macs, soccer, time that pass too fast/slow, girls that dresses like bitches, smokers, trains who are late, ...)
Yet I'd just stay away of the subjects, and mention I'm opposed to /against something only if I have to.
Okay I'm a big mouth but I clearly did not follow what I am saying...
anyways let's all be friends again and talk technical & everything will be fine.
Bregalad wrote:
I could do thread about hatred I have against quite a few things, NES-dev or video game related or not (Metroid on NES, Action 52, crappy chinese famiclones and pirated games, the recent decay of the Final Fantasy series, macs, soccer, time that pass too fast/slow, girls that dresses like bitches, smokers, trains who are late, ...)
If you could write rants on that many topics, then perhaps you need to get yourself a MediaWiki and become the next
Zyra or
Maddox.
Incorrect technical documents? For aslong as I've known about Anomie's regs.txt that is what I've referred people to or cited (the entirety of my stay at SMWC). You should always check multiple sources (romhacking.net is nice for this) and try different things yourself if something doesn't seem to be working out. Or just ask about it. Surely the beef with SMWC and myself can't be about something that simple?
Regarding "double-standards", if you have recurring issues with multiple users from multiple communitues and believe that everyone else is the problem and you are perfectly fine, wouldn't make a whole lot more sense if the reverse situation was true? It sounds like a persecution-complex. Not everyone on the internet is applying double-standards to you, they'd be responding the same way they would to everyone else.
As for 'idiots', people have already stated that it's a huge community so you're going to have:
-'stupid people' or beginners who are a little to eager to try and help others out
-'smart people'
-people who lie somewhere in the middle.
Normally one of the 'smart people' will step in and make corrections where necessary so what's the big deal here?
psycopathicteen wrote:
Maybe if you'd stop escalating the problem and just let me win for once I'd be happy and I'd no-longer need to bottle up my hatred for smwcentral and smkdan. Everybody has a double-standard for me. What isn't allowed for me is perfectly accepteable when everybody else does it.
The bolded part is one of the big issues. I think blargg has pointed it out once before, but there seems to be this recurring theme where you come to some conclusion already, post about it, and expect everyone to agree with you (a 'win' I suppose). If someone presents something that contradicts your own post, you either dismiss it or things get pretty ugly. blargg's post you quoted this in response to is a good example. He put forward a decent set of points but you just dismiss it with a post that makes it clear you just want people to agree with you, contradicting posts have no significance to you or something. How do you have a discussion with someone like this?
As for myself:
-I try to be civil in discussions, however if someone disagrees and makes personal attacks when I post what I believe is a decent contribution to the discussion, my tone is going to change considerably after a few reminders about ad-hominem attacks. I don't even need a full set of fingers to count how many times this is happened within years though =p
-If I put forward my arguments in a way that bothers you, talk to me about it? I don't mean to belittle anyone. If you
are bothered by the way someone presents their arguments, responding with personal attacks is that absolute worst way to deal with it. It doesn't resolve anything. I've resolved issues I've had with others before just by PMing them and explaining what's up =|
Also, I can't remember anything involving you within the last year involving SMWC or myself, so are you really bottling up anger over something that happened 30 months ago or whatever, and just want other people to validate your view on the situation to resolve it? Doesn't that seem a little bit odd? That's extremely unhealthy if that's the case and worth reconsidering.
Code:
thistopic:
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JSR tepplespost
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tepplespost:
LDA tepplesthoughts
PHA
RTS
Xkeeper wrote:
Code:
thisthread:
[...]
JSR tepplespost
[...]
tepplespost:
PHA thoughts
RTS
Don't
forget the
Wikipedia links.
Eventhough I'm not really that interested in SMW hacking, I think smwcentral would be a good place to advertise future homebrew games.
My concern is, if I feel the need to use smwcentral for advertisement, I hope they don't go about retracing my history and turning their flame torches back on because I used to be someone they hated a long time ago.
So you want to (in your words) "use" smwcentral for your gain, but fear a backlash because you've already burned many bridges there. Why would you be at all surprised? Don't you ever feel that both things (using people for profit; drawing ire) cast you in a bad light?
Are you sure sociopathic teen wouldn't have made a better forum name?
Most of the people on smwcentral joined just to advertise themselves. What's the difference when I do it? See there is a double standard. Everybody keeps thinking I have some sort of evil aggenda when I don't and I never did.
Not evil. Just self-serving.
...and everyone-else-serving at the same time
...oh, so you think you'll blend in, eh? No-one will notice just you being selfish, transparent, etc? Bad actions in numbers makes it all OK?
Look, I have nothing personal against you; I'm just trying to point out the obvious logical fallacies you are making in an attempt to justify what you say, seemingly with every post.
Forget about what other people do. Think about your own actions in and of themselves and evaluate them as good or bad in isolation. Is tit-for-tat and "a bad thing done by everybody" the moral high ground? Is this concept even relevant to you?
Before you post, ask yourself: Would I sign my legal name to this?
Oh, and another Wikipedia link:
Civility
ccovell wrote:
...oh, so you think you'll blend in, eh? No-one will notice just you being selfish, transparent, etc? Bad actions in numbers makes it all OK?
Look, I have nothing personal against you; I'm just trying to point out the obvious logical fallacies you are making in an attempt to justify what you say, seemingly with every post.
Forget about what other people do. Think about your own actions in and of themselves and evaluate them as good or bad in isolation. Is tit-for-tat and "a bad thing done by everybody" the moral high ground? Is this concept even relevant to you?
Let me guess:
1.) You think I'm stupid and I'm going to register a second account with the same username, or resurrect my old account.
2.) You think I want to register another account with the sole purpose of trolling them back.
The mass of contributors and contributions clearly show that "self-serving" is not what the site is all about. The supposed double standard is all in your head as implied by my previous post. That and, yeah, trying to justify selfish behaviour just by citing other members doing the same thing is a pretty silly argument to make, especially when it's demonstratably false argument to begin with. The best thing you can do is stop trying to find reasons of why you think there might be a 'double-standard' and just consider 'what might I have done to bring this on myself'?.' Consider that it isn't everyone elses fault 100% of the time that you are having these problems.
The purpose of the website is for advertising eachother's hacks.
Do you find it wrong whenever you post one of your hacks?
My usual sarcastic comment:
This thread doesn't make any sense
Banshaku wrote:
My usual sarcastic comment:
This thread doesn't make any sense
quoted for truth
I lost track of what this thread was about a long time ago.
My humor was spot on and yet unappreciated.
Shame.
It was appreciated, just sometime you don't need to answer to it.
I just added my message because I felt that this thread is going nowhere at the moment.
psycopathicteen wrote:
Let me guess:
1.) ... 2.) ... with the sole purpose of trolling them back.
Neither. I actually didn't care one whit.
Xkeeper wrote:
My humor was spot on and yet unappreciated.
Shame.
You're so self-serving, Xkeeper.
I sense a pending invocation of Godwin's law.
ObWikiLink:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
(wtf, no matter how I edit this url, when viewed it gets truncated at the apostrophe, or the entire url is not clickable.)
[It's a bug in phpBB 2. You have to change apostrophes to "%27". --MOD]
clueless wrote:
I sense a pending invocation of Godwin's law.
ObWikiLink:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law(wtf, no matter how I edit this url, when viewed it gets truncated at the apostrophe, or the entire url is not clickable.)
[It's a bug in phpBB 2. You have to change apostrophes to "%27". --MOD]
You know who else liked to invoke Godwin's Law?
That's right. Hitler.
Would it be invoking Godwin's law to make a sequel to Concentration Room titled Concentration
Camp? Or to make a
variant of Yahtzee?
2010-10-05:
psycopathicteen wrote:
Why come those people are smart enough to make ASM hacks off the very little documentation, but at the same time say very noobish things like [...]
-ripping backgrounds from DKC (albeit with the animation and parallax removed) instantly makes your SMW hack more technically impressive or CPU consuming.
After all this time, shouldn't their own experience as a programmer shine through?
blargg wrote:
Unless you regularly put other people down without apparent provocation, which tends to make others less tolerant
psycopathicteen wrote:
Your fine. I was refering to Blargg. He thinks I posted this to "put people down."
2010-10-10:
enhancement chips and PPU accessing:psycopathicteen wrote:
What is the maximum speed an enhancement chip is allowed to access PPU registers and V-RAM? The PPU is 10 Mhz and it's V-RAM is 5 Mhz, so that means the PPU regs should be allowed access at 10 Mhz, and the V-RAM address and data ports at 5 Mhz. However, knowing Nintendo had pretty bad engineers during this time period, something tells me they screwed this up too.
I wasn't the only one who said that. Read further down.
"You kicked my brother."
"No I didn't."
"Yes you did."
"Well, other people kicked him too."
"And...?"
Blargg wrote:
psycopathicteen wrote:
However, knowing Nintendo had pretty bad engineers during this time period, something tells me they screwed this up too.
psycopathicteen wrote:
I wasn't the only one who said that. Read further down.
OK...
ccovell wrote:
A more damning criticism that I like to make of Nintendo is that they did almost nothing, hardware-wise, to beef up the SFC in the two years before its release.
MottZilla wrote:
I think that was pretty awful too Chris. You'd think with such a delay they would have done more than add RAM. Increase in CPU speed would have been very nice. If it were practical at the time, which I don't know that it would have been, it would be a shame for them to have not done this. Not that the SNES is severely handicapped by it, but more CPU time is always good.
I see criticism of the hardware and decisions made, but no put-downs. I get the feeling that you have no mirrors where you live.
blargg wrote:
I see criticism of the hardware and decisions made, but no put-down.
See, there's another example of the double standard.
When I make a criticism of the hardware decisions made, it's considered a put down.
When others make a criticism of the hardware decisions made, it's not.
PPT: "Nintendo had
pretty bad engineers during this time period"
CMC: "
they did almost nothing, hardware-wise, to beef up the SFC"
Blargg: "You'd think with such a delay they
would have done more than add RAM."
CMC and blargg criticized the design decisions that the engineers made, what they
did. You criticized the engineers themselves, who they
were. As I understand it, the wording makes all the difference. Please see
fundamental attribution error on Wikipedia.