I'm thinking about making The Big Switch(TM) to a Mac laptop. The thing is, I haven't had a Mac since the IIGS. (Heh.) Does anyone know if NESASM 3, MagicKit, or other DOS-prompty-looking NESDev things will run on a Mac? Or would it be best to keep my old laptop as a NESDev workstation? I guess I could ask Google, but I'm lazy, and I figure that someone here will know.
If those command-line programs come with the source code it's possible they can be relatively easily recompiled for Darwin.
There's always Boot Camp as well:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html
isn't cc65 supported under Mac?
dXtr wrote:
isn't cc65 supported under Mac?
It's not "supported" as in the author provides tech support, but
cc65.org does state that Sheppy got it working on at least PowerPC-based Mac OS X with no changes from the FreeBSD configuration.
Hell, I compiled cc65 for Mac OS 9 (Classic), for use in Apple's MPW shell environment.
If you're getting an Intel Mac, then you'll be able to run Windows in a virtual machine inside a window on OS X.
DON'T DO IT!!!
(Triple-boot into OSX Linux & Windows instead...)
I find that Windows is pretty universal. That's why I stick to it. And also, doing lots of work on the computer really makes you want a two-buttoned mouse; not that slick-looking-but-inconvenient mouse that basically is a button.
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Rachel wrote:
Or would it be best to keep my old laptop as a NESDev workstation?
I think so. Just so you won't have to dink around so much.
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And also, doing lots of work on the computer really makes you want a two-buttoned mouse; not that slick-looking-but-inconvenient mouse that basically is a button.
So get a Mac with
Apple's two-button mouse, or use any third-party USB mouse.
atari2600a wrote:
DON'T DO IT!!!
(Triple-boot into OSX Linux & Windows instead...)
Uhh... is this SO bad after all, eh?
Anyway, true, Windows is universal, but it doesn't mean "the best one".
I wasn't trying to imply that it was the best one, I was just saying it's standard. Windows definitely has flaws, but they don't really get in the way of what I do. I generally deal with small files and software that doesn't require high speeds or anything like that.
I suppose I don't know too much about Macs. I just think that if you're going to be doing stuff with homebrew programs, Windows is standard, so a lot of them may only be compatible with Windows.
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I suppose I don't know too much about Macs. I just think that if you're going to be doing stuff with homebrew programs, Windows is standard, so a lot of them may only be compatible with Windows.
I agree; several tools are probably only available as Windows executables, no source code (and not portable even if there were), so running Windows is a good idea. But, you don't have to use it as your main OS, just run it in a virtual machine, almost as another program.
Parallels is one that integrates Windows programs at the window level.
Celius wrote:
I wasn't trying to imply that it was the best one, I was just saying it's standard. Windows definitely has flaws, but they don't really get in the way of what I do. I generally deal with small files and software that doesn't require high speeds or anything like that.
I suppose I don't know too much about Macs. I just think that if you're going to be doing stuff with homebrew programs, Windows is standard, so a lot of them may only be compatible with Windows.
Heh, I tried out a Mac 10 years ago. Actually, most of open-source programs aren't specific for Windows, but fully portable. About the web, I had some problems while using Linux, like websites don't playing a music because they were "unable to find Windows Media".
I don't know why, but I feel like an enormous amount of people are considered switching to Macs this year and the past year too. I don't know why, while I'm no expert in PC nor macs, and while I've never used a mac in all it's potential, I feel like the extra price of Macs is just a waste for the consummer that can do exactly the same with a PC but by paying less. So use a mac if you want to look cool, fashionable and loose money stupidly and else use a PC.
A lot of regular people are wanting a Mac due to there misleading TV adds with that fast talking kid playing off fake bill gates. Misinformation dose not make for happy customers though so in the long run they may harm themselves.
In reality I consider all current OS'es bloated and resources wasting but unfortunately there is no real alternative with the kind of support windows has.
Windows is the best because its what most people use. This results in more software being developed for it and more hardware to run in it. So the most practical choice is XP at the moment
BTW I hate Vista
Is there anyboady who actually likes Vista?
people that can actually get it to work right, prolly.
peppers wrote:
Is there anyboady who actually likes Vista?
I like vista, but only after I go through all the services one by one & kill off the retarded ones in the group.
atari2600a wrote:
peppers wrote:
Is there anyboady who actually likes Vista?
I like vista, but only after I go through all the services one by one & kill off the retarded ones in the group.
It makes sense...
peppers wrote:
A lot of regular people are wanting a Mac due to there misleading TV adds with that fast talking kid playing off fake bill gates. Misinformation dose not make for happy customers though so in the long run they may harm themselves.
Sounds more like cognitive dissonance. Why all the hostility towards Apple? Those who have actually used them for more than a few minutes know that the difference is more than skin-deep.
I do agree that Apple hardware in general is kind of trendy, and the slick design/lots of advertising probably has something to do with why so many people like it. But yeah, the differences are more than skin-deep. I, myself don't really like using them, since Windows is so standard and I'm used to it.
blargg wrote:
peppers wrote:
A lot of regular people are wanting a Mac due to there misleading TV adds with that fast talking kid playing off fake bill gates. Misinformation dose not make for happy customers though so in the long run they may harm themselves.
Sounds more like cognitive dissonance. Why all the hostility towards Apple? Those who have actually used them for more than a few minutes know that the difference is more than skin-deep.
I do not dislike the company . My only complaint to them would be that most of there products are overpirced.
I am not a fan of that type of advertisement. I consider it dishonest, Thats all. The machines themselfs are desent enough.
My primary comp is MacOS X, but running Windows (natively using Parallels) is really a requirement. While you will be able to recompile apps like cc65 and nesasm with no problems, there is still no NES emulator with a debugger. No reason there couldn't be just that nobody has done it yet. You may want to keep your old machine around for a parallel port too.
I absolutely agree the towers are overpriced, but so far I have not seen anything that comes close to the size and quality of the MacBook Pro laptops. The Mini is also an amazing machine if you don't need any graphics power at all. With everything running on Intel now you can choose XP for the apps that have no equivalent and use MacOS for everything else. I work alone from home so looking cool isn't really a consideration for computer choices
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Thanks for the thoughts, all.
And to chime in on the "debate," I am looking to get the Mini as a general-purpose home computer and DVD player. The tiny, tiny apartment does not lend itself well to a full-blown computer setup. (Hence, the server tower is in a storage closet...) So, I'm hoping to put the Mini in or on top of my TV stand along with the gaming consoles and use my TV as the monitor. My original plan was to build something cool looking with a Mini-ITX, but I think that the (Mac) Mini will ultimately be cheaper. I've also been really impressed with Mac's customer service. They were REALLY nice about replacing my iPod when it wasn't working right, and I've had a crappy experience with my getting my Compaq laptop serviced. ("No, we won't fix the mouse button. It's not broken. Just press it really, really hard.")
I was pondering a Mac laptop if the Mini thing goes well. But even then, I'm concerned about compatibility, so I may try to go another route for the laptop.
Okay, I don't know why I'm going on... I'll shut up now.