Concentration looks and sounds ok. But what's with the "Revisionist history" theme?
mic_ wrote:
Looks and sounds ok. But what's with the "Revisionist history" theme?
Imagine the Badds from Bionic Commando running a labor camp for races deemed "subsapient". Then imagine a way for inmates to demonstrate their worth by beating the guards in a mind game.
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- What a terrible name choice...
Zepper wrote:
- What a terrible name choice...
I guess that's the idea... In portuguese we call this game "jogo da memória" (memory game) but since the english name is "concentration" tepples seems to have made the game take place in a concentration camp...
The name is highly offensive.
Any more offensive than National Lampoon's ADD camp bit? Or the scene in Bionic Commando where Master D's head asplode?
It shows a twisted sense of humour; one can either laugh at it or be offended.
Since I'm used to Tepples humor it didn't offend me but from someone else that see the name out of context.. That's a different story.
That's where it becomes evident tepples is no european, because here you could have fun on about anything in the world, sex, violence whathever, but never ANYONE would make jokes with world war 2. OK maybe I exaggerate - a blockbuster film that came recently did, but you see the idea.
I know I'm used to tepples' humour, but I still find it offending.
I know I'm used to tepples' humour, but I still find it offending.
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but never ANYONE would make jokes with world war 2.
That might be true in some places in Europe, but certainly not here (in Sweden).
I didn't find it offensive at all, just a really weird theme for an NES puzzle game. Seemed like something the japanese would do ;P
Also think of "allo allo" which was made by the brits iirc. Also I don't think Tepples is really joking about ww2. It's simply a plot. He changed the swastika (well it seemed that way in irc when I talked to him) cause he was afraid of releasing it in Germany fearing that would be illegal.
Jeroen is right that it's just a plot. The NSDAP is hardly the only organization to have run a concentration camp; the UK ran the Boer camp, the US is still trying to close Guantanamo Bay, plenty of countries run POW camps, etc. In this case, I've tried to make the Folkish Labor Party significantly kinder and gentler than the NSDAP: assignment to a camp is based on perceptions associated with race, not religion; inmates lose weight because of government cutbacks, not because of an undertone of extermination; inmates can win their release; etc. Is there a way I should emphasize this more? Perhaps what offends you is that the FLP's logo still looks vaguely like a "swastika with serial numbers filed off".
I could model the labor camp along the lines of GULAG instead of the Nazi camps, but then I'd have to make it the Soviet Mind Game. For one thing, a competent AI for the Soviet Mind Game is a bit more complicated than the Artificial Idiocy that I'll be putting in this game, and Mr. Rogers might not be happy about LJ65 development starting again.
I could model the labor camp along the lines of GULAG instead of the Nazi camps, but then I'd have to make it the Soviet Mind Game. For one thing, a competent AI for the Soviet Mind Game is a bit more complicated than the Artificial Idiocy that I'll be putting in this game, and Mr. Rogers might not be happy about LJ65 development starting again.
Not being european, jewish, german, or having any affiliation with the people in concentration camps, I don't take any offense personally. Other people, on the other hand, probably think you lack appreciation for World War 2 and holocaust victims by naming this game "Concentration Camp". Not saying that you do, but it might appear that way.
Strictly speaking hogging the term "concentration camp" for just ww2 is incorrect. Anyway I don't think there's a reason it SHOULD offend anyone, but I can understand WHY someone might get offended. I don't think Tepples should change his game if he doesn't want to however. About the ww2 jokes....I can tell you like 4 of the top of my head, and I live in The Netherlands. (they're alot worse then Tepple's game to)
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Perhaps what offends you is that the FLP's logo still looks vaguely like a "swastika with serial numbers filed off".
I find the name really funny, but I think the discrepancy in the logos is weird. One with real associations, one fake. If anything I think it would somehow be more offensive (and therefore funnier) with a blue and white swastika versus a red and black star.
Right now it looks like it's supposed to be a holocaust reference that is censored for release by someone who literally only "gives half a crap", haha.
Looks like a cool little game though.- I find it very offensive because my grandfather died in a concentration camp 1944!
- Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to...
- Yeah, he fell down from a watch tower!
*canned laughter*
As for the game, the animations look smooth!
- Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to...
- Yeah, he fell down from a watch tower!
*canned laughter*
As for the game, the animations look smooth!
Memblers wrote:
I think the discrepancy in the logos is weird. One with real associations, one fake. If anything I think it would somehow be more offensive (and therefore funnier) with a blue and white swastika versus a red and black star.
Right now it looks like it's supposed to be a holocaust reference that is censored for release by someone who literally only "gives half a crap", haha.
Right now it looks like it's supposed to be a holocaust reference that is censored for release by someone who literally only "gives half a crap", haha.
You've got a point, Memblers. If I'm going with expies, I should do so consistently. For the next video, I've changed player 1's emblem to a hybrid of the Hebrew word חי chai meaning life and the Chinese word 气 qì meaning breath or spirit.
- Well, I'm sorry for drifting the discussion into the game "skin" subject. It's not crystal clear to me, but it seems "concentration camp" is nothing more than "a mind game, flipping pair of cards". Plus, I have no clue if this relies in cultural meanings (south x north), but I would change the game "skin" to something else.
- Am I the only one to get "concentration camp" as "not a mind game"???
- Am I the only one to get "concentration camp" as "not a mind game"???
I have no idea who that character from South Park is.
Playing Concentration with labor camp guards is like playing Chess with the Grim Reaper.
Playing Concentration with labor camp guards is like playing Chess with the Grim Reaper.
tepples wrote:
I have no idea who that character from South Park is.
He's an extreme stereotype of a Jewish boy. He comes to South Park and Kyle (a Jewish friend of Cartman's) makes Cartman promise that he won't make any jokes about him. However, Cartman is unable to resist himself when the teacher points out that the new boy has trouble concentrating. Let's just say Cartman gives him a recommendation of a camp he can go to.
Here's the episode, if you care: http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103926
Dwedit wrote:
The name is highly offensive.
as is the story.
This is one area where you don't possess the comedic power to overcome the weight of the subject. If you expect to pull off something like this, it better be sofa king hilarious people die if they hear it, starting with you, or at least funnier than that skit. This seems like a poor excuse to revisit the holocaust, it's not even saying anything positive or new, it's just attaching an unoriginal game to a tragic thing via a bad pun, and extrapolating it ad absurdum. Oh if only it did that well. This game is a piece of shit...so far, not even funnier than the nazi[-related] penguin game which I still don't know what to think of.
Don't get me wrong, the engine looks nice and playable, but you could be doing such amazing things with your skill, don't waste it on lame, unfunny crap like this.
my $0.02