PPU game list

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PPU game list
by Majiinfreddy on 2012-01-21 (#89115)

Hello,

First I would like to say sorry, if I'm posting at the wrong forum.
I'm new here so, Hello!

I recently bought a SNES (PAL) and started buying games on ebay. Both PAL and NTSC games.
Then the information kept coming into my head.
Apparently I couldn't play NTSC games on a PAL console using Only a Converter.
I looked up on hard-mods, but no matter what it seemed like I gimped myself, either I got to play most games or not NTSC at all, etc.

So I ended up with this; I'm gonna search the whole world for PAL games before buying NTSC games. But there are some games that only came out in the US.
To make this short, I was wondering, Do any of you have a list over PPU games? aka, games that dosnt work with any converter.

Thanks a lot for all help.

by MottZilla on 2012-01-21 (#89119)

Most games will work with a Game Genie or Action Replay as a "converter" though some games will require a cheat code to disable region lockouts. There are some games that will never work with a converter but these probably are fairly few. Mainly games that have extra hardware in them like Super Mario RPG, maybe also the Super FX due to timing issues. I'm not sure if I list of what you want exists.

by Majiinfreddy on 2012-01-21 (#89120)

Thanks for the respond.

Well today I got all the three Donkey Kong games on NTSC.
Using the Super Game converter , I get the PPU error ;
"THIS GAME PAK IS NOT DESIGNED FOR YOUR SUPER FAMICOM OR SUPER NES."

So I'm really scared of my coming copy of Secret of Mana, ff3 and zelda etc.

I found a list with the games that has that chip implemented, like Super mario world 2, Kirby super star, Super mario RPG, and some other "minor" (In my eyes) titles.

But, I'm kinda confused. How is the game genie \ action replay \ cheat codes, compared to my "Super game converter"

Thats the thingy I got.

And what is your suggestion on what I should do?

Thanks again.

by l_oliveira on 2012-01-21 (#89121)

Stop suffering. Buy an NTSC SNES or Super Famicom.

Hard mods are mostly for people who know what they're doing and have technical expertize.

You will save yourself a lot of confusion and frustration, as an NTSC system will play all NTSC games without any kind of issue (SFC and SNES games as both use the same main board, just the casing of the console and cartridges are different)

Re: PPU game list
by thefox on 2012-01-21 (#89122)

Majiinfreddy wrote:
I looked up on hard-mods, but no matter what it seemed like I gimped myself, either I got to play most games or not NTSC at all, etc.

Best mod, as far as I understand, is to install the SuperCIC in your SNES. (Why is nobody selling them?!)

by tokumaru on 2012-01-21 (#89123)

l_oliveira wrote:
Stop suffering. Buy an NTSC SNES or Super Famicom.

This is good advice. These consoles are pretty cheap nowadays, often costing less than some high profile games. Today's TVs will take practically anything you throw at them, so this really does sound like your best shot.

by Majiinfreddy on 2012-01-22 (#89126)

Thanks for all the help.

I won't buy a US snes or famicom, I really love my EU version

So a Game genie etc, as mentioned earlier, won't help at all?

Again, thanks

by mic_ on 2012-01-22 (#89127)

The PPU checks should be fixable with a Game Genie. It depends on how many places they have the check in VS how many codes the cheat device supports.
I don't recall SoM, FF3 or LoZ having any SW region checks. SoM 2 does, though (IIRC).

by Majiinfreddy on 2012-01-22 (#89128)

mic_ wrote:
The PPU checks should be fixable with a Game Genie. It depends on how many places they have the check in VS how many codes the cheat device supports.
I don't recall SoM, FF3 or LoZ having any SW region checks. SoM 2 does, though (IIRC).

If you are correct, you just made me one happy man! ;D

Got those 3 games coming in next week (Hopefully - yet doubtful).
But as long as SoM, FF3 and Chrono Trigger can be tricked using the "Super Game Converter" this won't be a problem. Since the rest of the games I'm able to find as PAL.

Anyway, Just ordered the Donkey Kong games as PAL, so I don't need to dig more into Game Genie for the moment.

Thanks

by mic_ on 2012-01-22 (#89132)

Actually, SoM seems to contain a PPU check. But FF3 (US) and Chrono Trigger do not. At least not the versions that I've got.

by Majiinfreddy on 2012-02-06 (#89650)

My list so far:

Secret of Mana (((
Donkey Kong Country 1-3
Super Metroid
Super Mario World 2

Anyway, Is it possible to just Mod a Cartridge?
I mean, opening up and soldering a wire or whatever, and ka-blam! no more PPU check ?
Just got my SoM copy in the mail , and got kinda sad when I couldnt play it :p hehe.

by l_oliveira on 2012-02-06 (#89651)

Mod the cartridges ? Just get the NTSC onsole already ...

Three people including me already suggested that.

by Bregalad on 2012-02-06 (#89652)

I have a japanese Secret of Mana cart that works just fine in my SNES. Maybe the protection is only here for US carts ?

Oh in fact I think my adapter highack one of the PPU registers so that the games belive the console is NTSC, it's fun because I always leave the adapter in the console (even when playing PAL games) and a few of my PAL games (at least DKC) refuses to run because they "think" this is a NTSC console.

by Majiinfreddy on 2012-02-06 (#89654)

l_oliveira wrote:
Mod the cartridges ? Just get the NTSC onsole already ...

Three people including me already suggested that.

And I've already said that I don't want a NTSC console.
Sorry, but it's probably the ugliest console ever made

Ye, mod a cartridge XD I dont know
Remember seeing a soldered cartridge a couple of weeks ago, no idea what it was supposed to do, so thought I could throw that out there

Thanks anyway.

by tepples on 2012-02-06 (#89655)

There are three regions, as I understand it:
Super Famicom (Japan, Hong Kong): Japanese cart shape, NTSC CIC, NTSC PPU
Super NES (North America): North American cart shape, NTSC CIC, NTSC PPU
Super NES (PAL version): Japanese cart shape, PAL CIC, PAL PPU

RetroZone cart shells are Japanese shape but have the alignment cutouts to also fit in North American systems.

Games with the protection may be doing various PPU checks, possibly including a check for 50 Hz or 60 Hz (like this on NES).

by drk421 on 2012-02-06 (#89656)

Terranigma

I have a 50hz/60hz switch in my SNES just for play this game on my NTSC console.

by mic_ on 2012-02-06 (#89657)

Quote:
Games with the protection may be doing various PPU checks, possibly including a check for 50 Hz or 60 Hz

On the SNES they just do one check (though they might have it in multiple places throughout the game): bit4 of $213F. Perhaps there are titles in the SNES library that counts CPU cycles during vblank or something like that, but I've never come across that.

by l_oliveira on 2012-02-06 (#89661)

Majiinfreddy wrote:
Sorry, but it's probably the ugliest console ever made

Google SUPER FAMICOM.

I also despise the USA console just as much as you do.

by Majiinfreddy on 2012-02-06 (#89663)

l_oliveira wrote:
Majiinfreddy wrote:
Sorry, but it's probably the ugliest console ever made

Google SUPER FAMICOM.

I also despise the USA console just as much as you do.

Haha.
I just wanna use my own PAL European version ;D
Ye, I'm stubborn!
Just gotta find a cheaper PAL version of SoM! And .. use my NTSC version as decor in my window.. or something !

by MottZilla on 2012-02-06 (#89665)

Just mod your console or get a cheat device to get around the checks. This is nothing new. Or get a Super Famicom. Do you have a Game Genie or Pro Action Replay?

by mic_ on 2012-02-06 (#89666)

Quote:
Do you have a Game Genie or Pro Action Replay?

A PAR wouldn't help, as it only allows RAM codes AFAIK. To fix the PPU version checks he'd need a Game Genie.

by MottZilla on 2012-02-06 (#89669)

Pretty sure SNES PAR can patch ROM too. I have an AR MK3 for SNES, I could try that out, but I'm pretty sure it works.