I came a cross this today
http://nintendoallstars.w.interia.pl/ro ... p2snes.htm
and I thought what a great Idea!!
I just want to know has any know made one of these adapter,
and does any one have a copy of the PCB art in the correct size/scale?
They work,
http://aprilog.com/ makes them. Here is a picture of one used to make
SD3, not mine nor do I remember where I found it:
MatthewCallis wrote:
They work,
http://aprilog.com/ makes them. Here is a picture of one used to make
SD3, not mine nor do I remember where I found it:
Ohh great, 20 buck is a expensive for just the pcb!
do you know if they are 100% compatible with the snes mask rom?
I might just try and make the pcb, can one have the correct sized PCB art?
Hey I have been trying to build a TSOP40 to SNES adaptor for some time !! I have not been able to test it but it should be working ! Only thing left for me is a homemade SNES to willem adaptor to flash the chip !! I could make my eagle cad files public if peoples want to test it !! Also a group order of maybe 75 of those board would cost less than 2$ each so it would be cool !
flagoss wrote:
Hey I have been trying to build a TSOP40 to SNES adaptor for some time !! I have not been able to test it but it should be working ! Only thing left for me is a homemade SNES to willem adaptor to flash the chip !! I could make my eagle cad files public if peoples want to test it !! Also a group order of maybe 75 of those board would cost less than 2$ each so it would be cool !
Ey, I could be interested on those CAD files! It would be great to take a look at them...
As for the price, I think 75 boards are too many... maybe smaller orders would be more interesting.
I say 75 because on most pcbproducer the minimum order will be aroud 50 et 100 !! Me I would take 20 board for myself ! My cad are not perfect but should be in working order !! PM your email and I will send theme to you !
flagoss wrote:
Hey I have been trying to build a TSOP40 to SNES adaptor for some time !! I have not been able to test it but it should be working ! Only thing left for me is a homemade SNES to willem adaptor to flash the chip !! I could make my eagle cad files public if peoples want to test it !! Also a group order of maybe 75 of those board would cost less than 2$ each so it would be cool !
I would be very interested in those files.
as for making the PCB 75 is a lot, I was planing to use the rom lad's PCB and send it here.
http://www.4pcb.com/index.php?load=content&page_id=130
They will make five for 33 dollars, It's a good deal for such a small amount.
let me know how the SNES to willem adaptor if you make that it will be as good as a flash cart.
It's 33$ each board and the fifth one is free !! But it's still cheap !!
flagoss wrote:
It's 33$ each board and the fifth one is free !! But it's still cheap !!
Ohh right, I think I might just try make my on pcb with copper clad.
have you finished designing the PCB art?
Yeah everything seem to be ok but it's my first time with eagle so I am not sure ! And someone should check if I made some mistake before trying on cooper cladboard !! PM me your email I will send you the art so you can check !
flagoss wrote:
Yeah everything seem to be ok but it's my first time with eagle so I am not sure ! And someone should check if I made some mistake before trying on cooper cladboard !! PM me your email I will send you the art so you can check !
I just sent you my email.
Ill have a look over it (im not the best at PCB design but I no a few people at are and that could take a look at it to)
Can someone look at the following shematic and tell me why is the 20 and 21 adresses been inverted !???
http://mpu51.tripod.com/eprom/pdf/ad-HY29F080.pdf
no i can't tell you.
but what I can tell you, is that a 29F080 is only 1 megabyte in size,
so only address bits A0 to A19 on the flash chip matter.
And "inverted" is incorrect terminology. I don't see not gates or inverters anywhere. The labels are swapped. Why? No idea.
The Shematic has been modified for 29f032 ( 4Mo ) !! But I think it's only a typo error !! I am gonna test my pcb this weekend so we will know if everything is alright !
Hey, i got some 29f032 and the adapters and im just wondering how the hell you solder these things? More specifically how you hold them in place on the contacts? mine keep sliding around.
i usually use a "reverse tweezer" (self closing) to hold smd's in place, works fine, you can also hold it in place using your fingers
Ok il try those reverse tweezers. I just tried placing a tiny bit blu tack (stick goo stuff) underneath and it lined up ok but was a fraction above the contacts so i added some solder to close the gap and bad move..
Do you just clamp the chip on with the tweezers and then heat up the contacts/legs you dont add any solder?
Also, before i attempt it again just to clarify something as im using the EXACT boards on the Romlab site with the 7 holes on the top/bottom.
Is the chip soldered with pins 1-20 facing the 7 holes or the other way? And when soldering the adapter to the pcb do the 7 holes face the right or left of the pcb?
Thanks to whoever answers this
Your saving a very broke guy from screwing up and wasting another $20
I have seen some video where the guy was using some liquid solder flux to stich the chip in place !! Seem to be working pretty well !!
the reverse tweezers are not a requirement but i think it is a good tool that helped me a lot of times.
take a look at these videos, they should get you started
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NU2ruzyc4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_cDV92IuWY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ1qisX52rI
and if you get bridges, here's how to remove them;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg2hxpy--gg
and if that doesn't help (due to too much solder) use desoldering braid to remove it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rskIO0sM37g
Ok thanks, looks like i better get some flux then. I just gave it another shot but used less blu tack to hold it in place (no solder) and went over it with a multi meter and all the connections from the Flash to the to snes checked out but it still didn't work and i know that i programed it right. The Snes just must be fussier than my multi meter
Hi everyone ! I am going to order a batch of tsop to snes pcb from a manufacturer !! They will be tested green pcb !!
Price will be put when I receive my final quote ( only for the bare pcb ) no chip included ! :
Price will be lower depending of the demand !!! I don't wan't to make that for money !
PM me for reservation !
It is also possible to build a cart adapter and flash the chip without openning the game ! Great cheap alternative for all developper out there !!!
New version of the pcb in my last post !!!
Hi everyone ! I am going to order a batch of tsop to snes pcb from a manufacturer !!
This is the board I will be ordering !! It support 29F032 8bits Flash Memory or smaller. 4mo of space so it can contain 99% of all game. It's a great tool for MOD and HACK developpers
I will have my board ready to ship by march 15. So anyone who wants some pcb just message me if you want to pre-order... The prices are :
5 boards : 35$ shipping included in usa or canada
10 boards : 55$ shipping included in usa or canada
20 boards : 80$ shipping included in usa or canada
30 boards : 100$ shipping included in usa or canada
Price is for the board only no flash memory or pins.
All board will be tested before shipping.
Pictures will be there as soon has I receive the pcbs
If you want a complete pcb ready with the 29f032 soldered... I might have one are two for sell !!
PM me for question
It is also possible to build a cart adapter and flash the chip without openning the game ! Great cheap alternative for all developper out there !!!
Sold Out !!! Thanks to everyone !!!! PM. me if you are interested !!! I might order a new batch if there is demand for it !!
flagoss wrote:
Sold Out !!! Thanks to everyone !!!! PM. me if you are interested !!! I might order a new batch if there is demand for it !!
What a pity!
I asked for some photos of the board but you never answered, and I was willing to buy a couple :/ I hope I have better luck next time...
Sorry the board are coming this week by fedex will post pictures !!! I think I will put a reorder next week !!
Hey everybody I have more pcb !!! So pm me if you want some !!
magno wrote:
flagoss wrote:
Sold Out !!! Thanks to everyone !!!! PM. me if you are interested !!! I might order a new batch if there is demand for it !!
What a pity!
I asked for some photos of the board but you never answered, and I was willing to buy a couple :/ I hope I have better luck next time...
Looks like the same design he ripped off from a french snes maker
Tormenter wrote:
Looks like the same design he ripped off from a french snes maker
of cause it is similar since it's the same type of converter. but it's not like he did a 1:1 copy of the design
Tormenter wrote:
Looks like the same design he ripped off from a french snes maker
At some point, the
merger doctrine applies: when there's only one efficient way to design something, copying it isn't a rip-off.
This is the board !! It support 29F032 8bits Flash Memory or smaller. 4mo of space so it can contain 99% of all game. It's a great tool for MOD and HACK developpers !!
1 board : To high for some person so no more one board order...sorry guys..
5 boards : 35$ shipping included in usa or canada
10 boards : 55$ shipping included in usa or canada
20 boards : 80$ shipping included in usa or canada
30 boards : 100$ shipping included in usa or canada
5$ extra for the rest of the World !!!
If you want some flash memory with you boards, ask me !!!!
Price is for the board only no flash memory or pins.
All board will be tested before shipping.
If you want a complete pcb ready with the 29f032 soldered... I might have one are two for sell !!
PM me for question
It is also possible to build a cart adapter and flash the chip without openning the game ! Great cheap alternative for all developper out there !!!
Here are some pics of the first board I did !!
(note that I am selling the pcb without the flash memory !!
I have many boards left !!
hi @ all.
iam from germany and me and some guys create also the pcb for tsop.
I dont sell the pcbs but i want show you some pictures of my pcbs and adapter
Exeption are europe guys, if he need a pcb
Adapter is a lorom/hirom switch.
regards
red
P.S. 10$ for 1 pcb is a little bit expensive, i think!
100 pcbs cost 100USD @ china. but okay who it needed he have to pay the 10 USD for one pcb
RedScorpion wrote:
P.S. 10$ for 1 pcb is a little bit expensive, i think!
100 pcbs cost 100USD @ china. but okay who it needed he have to pay the 10 USD for one pcb
I know but that price Include shipping in North America wich for me is about 4$ for USA. I don't want to take time to only send one pcb to someone. I ordered those board because I wanted around 20 for my personnal use and havn't seen anyone selling that many so I re-created the board on Eagle Cad software and put an order. Now I just want to sell the rest of the pcb.
I like your hi-rom, low rom adapter !! I already tryed using some dip switches and many wires using the romlaboratory directions and it was working great but you'r adapter is 100times better then my mess !! lol
flagoss wrote:
RedScorpion wrote:
P.S. 10$ for 1 pcb is a little bit expensive, i think!
100 pcbs cost 100USD @ china. but okay who it needed he have to pay the 10 USD for one pcb
I know but that price Include shipping in North America wich for me is about 4$ for USA. I don't want to take time to only send one pcb to someone. I ordered those board because I wanted around 20 for my personnal use and havn't seen anyone selling that many so I re-created the board on Eagle Cad software and put an order. Now I just want to sell the rest of the pcb.
I like your hi-rom, low rom adapter !! I already tryed using some dip switches and many wires using the romlaboratory directions and it was working great but you'r adapter is 100times better then my mess !! lol
These can be sent in a standard envelope for 44 cents. Hell a padded envelope for about a buck. Your making about 900% on each one of these you sell.
Seriously , don't complain about the price.... If you don't like it, just don't buy it !! But has of now, like I said my goal was to sell the boards in big quantity not one by one !!
By the way can you tell me how you can send padded envelope from Canada to USA for 0.44 $ when a little piece of paper cost cost 56 cents to send 10miles away !???
Edit : No more 1 board sale !!
I comit you the selling of your own tsop board. I only wonder about the high price.
greetz
red
@flagoss: you could sell it through batchpcb.com , that way you wouldn't need to handle it yourself (which would probably reducing the shipping cost)
How does it work !?? I curently done with the SNES MASKROM to Willem adaptor and I don't need 50 of them !! loll
Edit : I just check and little 1 x 2 board with shipping are like 16$... not that bad if you only want 1 board !!
flagoss wrote:
How does it work !?? I curently done with the SNES MASKROM to Willem adaptor and I don't need 50 of them !! loll
Edit : I just check and little 1 x 2 board with shipping are like 16$... not that bad if you only want 1 board !!
That Willem adaptor sounds interesting. Are you plan to sell those as well?
Yeah I sell the Willem Adaptor !! I did test my layout last week and everything is working fine !! So as soon as I have 2 or 3 request I will order the pcb. Price will depend on the number of request...between 5$ to 20$. Shipping is free if ordered with the TSOP adaptor !!
flagoss wrote:
Seriously , don't complain about the price.... If you don't like it, just don't buy it !! But has of now, like I said my goal was to sell the boards in big quantity not one by one !!
By the way can you tell me how you can send padded envelope from Canada to USA for 0.44 $ when a little piece of paper cost cost 56 cents to send 10miles away !???
Edit : No more 1 board sale !!
Reread my message, never said a padded envelope was 44 cents. Btw, a full GAME costs $1.90 from US to Canada via padded.
I was wondering, would it be possible to use an adapter to first program the 29f032 before soldering onto the adapter pcb? And if so, is it simply a matter of price vs convenience?
Okay, so it looks like it's $45 for the Willem Adapter (since it only comes in a three piece set). Is that worth it? How difficult would it be to make one myself?
Anyone have an eagle cad schismatic we can use to print? I'm going to try my hand at tracing one out myself. Is there a way to use that image flagoss posted with the two layers combined?
darknezz19 wrote:
Anyone have an eagle cad schismatic we can use to print? I'm going to try my hand at tracing one out myself. Is there a way to use that image flagoss posted with the two layers combined?
I am also interested in this.
edit:
http://nintendoallstars.w.interia.pl/ro ... p2snes.htm - we can always make our own lol
Hi lunaris. I'm going to try and build the schematic in eagle all day tomorrow. I've never used this program before so hopefully that's enough time. You could pm me your aim icq yahoo whatever and help if you know how to use eagle. Two heads are better than one.
If we can get the Gerber(i think it's called) file done and saved there's a website i found that could be nice. Every month they order a batch of pcbs with your design among other ppl pitching in to get it cheap. So you get professional pcbs at $5.00 per square inch. Plus you get 3 copies per order. The 29f032 adapter should be about 7.50 for 3 pcbs. Not bad at all, but the order deadline is on august 2nd. So that's why I'm going to do it all tomorrow. Cheers.
*Edit*
If there's anyone else who knows eagle and can help that would be swell too. I'll be on aim for the next 24 hours if you want to contact me. Darknezzism is my handle on aim.
*Edit2*
Here's link to that pcb deal. Oh yah it's free shipping to US.
http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order
If you're gonna make stuff, why not build an entire SNES board? All you need is a Super CIC now and 2x139 with various jumpers for complete ROM/SRAM decoding. You could even add pads/through holes in a configuration for TSOP flash, 8-bit ROM and 16-bit ROM so everything's covered and no more carts are killed!
Hi !!
I have been looking at all the forum and found this cad file...
http://mpu51.tripod.com/eprom/pdf/ad-HY29F080.pdf
It looks like an adapter for the willem programmer to program a 29f032 for example.
But I found that:
-#CE is linked with #WE of the flash
-the flash #CE is linked to GND
Does anybody have a clue about this?? Maybe it's for the programation...
Thanks
Peccost
Would these TSOP adapters work for converting a Doom cart into a Star Fox 2 cart?
Jagasian wrote:
Would these TSOP adapters work for converting a Doom cart into a Star Fox 2 cart?
no
I bet they wouldn't work for making a
Soul Train cart either
Is there anyone that sells these anymore? I have 5 friends that wants some SNES Repros. I would need about 30-40 adaptors. Or does anyone have the file so I can get some produced? I would be willing to get 100-200 made, and sell the remainder to get my money back.
-Jake
I have the eagle done up but lost interest when my home made willem adapter wouldn't work. I'm pretty sure the traces are correct on the pcb, double check it though.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1964E31L
let us know if you get it working
I ordered some Breadboards and Sockets am going to make a Mock up of the adapter to make sure everything is good. I found a source for cheaper flash chips and a recommended company to print boards. If they work I will be selling extras adapters. Its a good thing I have been hoarding SNES Sports carts for years. must have a 100+ maddens, NBAs and NHLs. I sure I will have a few bad Test carts.
-Jake
Thank you Darknezz19 for your .brd file!!.
I checked all the wiring and didn't find any errors.
Maybe I wasn't clear in my last post but I was more thinking about the adapter to program the 29f032 tsop40 pcb.
I have made a schematic but I haven't tested it yet.
Here's a picture of what it would look like and pics of the board too...
http://www.cijoint.fr/cjlink.php?file=c ... T2vhZr.jpg
http://www.cijoint.fr/cjlink.php?file=c ... YR65cI.jpg
This pcb is inserted on thewillem programmer and the tsop40 adpater is inserted in that PCB
I someone can tell me if my wiring is good...
Peccost
That looks awesome Peccost. You found a tsop socket in a dip package? I'll check out your routes here in a little bit and let you know. Cheers:)
This is the adapter I purchase a while back, My burner is a little bit more sophisticated that a Willem. I know it is a bit expensive and i could build one cheaper but I didn't have the time to mess with it.
https://www.eetools.com/index.cfm?fusea ... =PA40TS40D
Ok billybob2236
that means you program your 29f032 before soldering it to the pcb.
Mine is used to program the 29f032 already soldered on the pcb.
In other words, the zif 32 represents the pinout of my willem adapter and the dip 40 3M universal zif socket represent the snes maskrom leading to the 29f032 by the adapter tsop40.
4 pins of the universal zif socket are not used.
Darknezz19 I hope that you follow me...in my schematic logic
Peccost
Hey I got my PCB's yesterday.
Everything seems to be ok on the boards and next week im going to start soldering and test them. (Programming)
Hope it will work!!
Peccost
There are new results?!
greetz
red
Not yet
Because I'm very busy at work these days and I must watch the hockey playoffs
It will takes a bit longer
Peccost
I'm looking to get a few of these adapters made; big thanks to darkness19 for posting up that .brd file. I did have a few questions about it though that I'd like cleared up so I can put a usefull silkscreen for the components.
1. What are the small surface mount parts (E$3, E$5, E$6) supposed to be? I'm assuming decoupling capacitors, like 0.1uF caps, but any info would be helpful.
2. I assume the solder jumper is for hirom/lorom selection. Is that correct, and if so, which is which?
Peccost, would you be willing to share the eagle files for your willem adapter? I'd like to get one of those made as well.
Here are some news about that willem adaptor!!
I'm waiting the confirmation of a friend to say if it's well designed though...
This week I managed to solder the flash memory on my board.
When I checked if it was empty I realized it was not!!
The blank test worked!!
Then I tried erasing it...and it worked!!
The programming was very long but no error code showed.
Good news I think my adapter is good!
Toodles -> The three smd parts are 0603 resistor of 10 ohms each
-> Honestly I don't know the purpose of the solder jumper
-> For the files (see schematic and board on page 4) eagle is not hard to learn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG0O9LKH-_E
Peccost
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Toodles -> The three smd parts are 0603 resistor of 10 ohms each
-> Honestly I don't know the purpose of the solder jumper
-> For the files (see schematic and board on page 4) eagle is not hard to learn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG0O9LKH-_E
Peccost[/QUOTE]
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- No, they aren't. Pad size is 1005, but they're meant as solder jumpers. You can use resistors if you like, but they aren't needed.
-I'm working on that.
-That isn't what I asked. I know how to use EAGLE, but reinventing the wheel is time that could be better spent elsewhere.
(based on board posted up by darknezz19)
Left most solder jumper connects _RP to VCC. _RP is for reset if pulled low or temporary unprotect is pulled to Vid, about 12v or so depending on flash. Pulling it to VCC should keep the chip from resetting or unprotecting, so I think this jumper can be replaced with one that is by default connected, like part SOLDERJUMPERTRACE in the Sparkfun library.
Jumper immediately to the right of the flash is pretty slick. It connects _W to pin 36 of the DIP. On a SNES cartridge, this would connect it to VCC, making sure no writes are ever enabled, but gives a dedicated pin to the programmer to control the 'not write enable' pin. Another one that most likely be replaced by a default connected solder jumper, or just wired straight to the pin. (To whomever did that, great idea.) I kind of think that a solder jumper connecting _W to VCC from DIP pin 34 could be useful when used in carts that don't have the extra four holes, similar to when you'd want to use the three way jumper.
Smaller jumper in lower right connects GND to the center pad of the three way jumper. This one is definitely not needed, and replaced with just a normal trace between GND and the center pad of the three way.
Three way solder jumper connects A21 and/or A20 to the center pad, which is GND. Only use I can think of is to keep those pins from floating when put into carts that dont have DIP pins 1 or 2 connected to anything. This should definitely stay.
I'll get the board relaid out with a proper .sch and .brd with good labelling, and then work on the willem adapter.
Is somebody still selling those tsop pcb? I would really to buy them. Thanks you
Peccost: I know this thread is quite old, but I am in the process of making an adapter like yours. What were the settings that you used on your Willem adapter to write to the 36pin TSOP adapters?
It depend what kind of willem and sofware you have...
I use willem PCB 5.0
JP#1 Normal (Bottom jumped)
JP#2 Top jumped
JP#3 Bottom jumped
JP#4 PCB 5.0
JP#5 Jumped
JP#6,7 12,5V
JP#8 5V (Bottom jumped)
JP#9 Jumped
JP#10 USB (Left jumped)
JP#12 A19, A20, A21 linked to willem adapter
JP#14 Nothing
JP#15 Nothing
DIP:
off, on, on, off, on, on, off, on, off, on, off, on
What chip profile do you use with your SNES to Willem adapter?
SkinnyV wrote:
What chip profile do you use with your SNES to Willem adapter?
You have to use Profile 29F032 or AM29F032
Sorry to necro this thread, but is anyone still making these adapters? Looks like Aprilog has discontinued their version.
I think "buy ic now.com" still makes/sells these. I made my own a while back.
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I have some buy ic now blanks (no rom mounted on it) if someone wants them. Just pay postage. I think have about 15 or so.....
I won't be using them so someone might as well use them.
