Is it called "6502 For Dummies"?
Are you referring to
Programming the 6502 by Rodnay Zaks? Here's what the one I have looks like:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/ ... f/6502.jpg
That's the third edition, but I've heard that the fourth has some mistakes corrected in it.
I thought it was yellow
and what's the latest edition and is it hard to find?
you've read nothing
Now you may have changed my mind. Is it helpful for someone like me?
i'm sorry man, i thought twice before posting, it's just that he's very boring. very informative tough. i'm probably just too imature and not hungry enough to learn from him.
Coupled with some information on the NES itself this can be a very useful book.
I have this book. Fortunately, I've come to the realization that you really just need to read the first few chapters. If you're a n00b like me, just read them OVER and OVER and OVER again. That will help ya learn yerself teh 6503... uh dur.
Seriously... I'm a bit drunk, but I know what I'm talking about. I had that book recommended to me a few years back and it does help... a lot. The hardware sections are the most useful. Really dig into the registers. The rest is easily learned by sifting through open source code and looking at the Wiki. The Wiki is in poor condition and written mainly for people who wish to emulate the Nintendo, but it's sufficient aside from the confusing terminology which doesn't at all apply to practical coding application.
Otherwise, we could always take some more n00bz at #nesdev EFnet if you have questions that aren't easily answered by Google.
I used to read a lot about the 6502 back when I was learning, the same things over and over, but I only really learned anything when I tried some of it out. Only then the reading started making sense.
For anyone trying to understand what assembly is all about, I'd say you just can't get from reading alone. Do read the basic stuff, over and over, but also experiment a little.
Michal Kowalski's 6502 simulator really comes in handy for that.
Honestly, I never got to read a 6502 book until I was already pretty used to it, I simply couldn't find any back then. So I can say it's very much possible to learn it all with the material you find on the web and a place to experiment, but I really can't tell if a book would make things easier. The 6502 isn't really complex, as far as microprocessors go, so the only case where I can the advantage of a book over the internet is if it used very good didactics to introduce the concepts of assembly language.
B00daW wrote:
The rest is easily learned by sifting through open source code and looking at the Wiki. The Wiki is in poor condition and written mainly for people who wish to emulate the Nintendo, but it's sufficient aside from the confusing terminology which doesn't at all apply to practical coding application.
If you like, feel free to register, and then once you sober up, you can
be bold in fixing the wiki.
A book helps if you travel as a passenger and you don't have a good laptop.
tepples wrote:
A book helps if you travel as a passenger and you don't have a good laptop.
What are printers for...? =)
Yeah, the 6502 is a fairly simple language. The only reason it took so long for me to learn was because I didn't know ANYTHING about programming. There are some little things I don't fully understand, but really, once you know lda/y/x/sta/y/x, it gets really easy. If you know about programming concepts like loops and variables, it should be fairly straight forward.
tokumaru wrote:
tepples wrote:
A book helps if you travel as a passenger and you don't have a good laptop.
What are printers for...? =)
Eating your money when have to buy more ink as you spray it onto a page. As I understand it, if you want to read on a bus, train, or plane, it's cheaper to buy a professionally printed book than to print one using the inkjet printer that most major personal computer makers bundle with home PCs.
Fair enough... although many people are able to print stuff at work on a laser printer, and that costs them nothing! =) I used to be able to print stuff at work, but I don't work there anymore.
Can I order this from Border Books or do I have to get it online?
I did a search at Border's website, and just as I figured, it seems to be out of print:
Link
So I'd say you couldn't get it at their bricks and mortar either. I got mine really cheap on eBay, so you could check there for a copy.
I printed a bunch of stuff when I first started programming the NES, because I found it annoying to try and read stuff on the monitor.
Kind of unrelated, but do any of you pronounce 6502 "six-thousand five hundred and two"? I just say "six five oh two".
six-fyve-oe-too and do you have the printouts? and Roth ever book seems to be out of print.
got mines on amazon
here's one
tepples wrote:
tokumaru wrote:
tepples wrote:
A book helps if you travel as a passenger and you don't have a good laptop.
What are printers for...? =)
Eating your money when have to buy more ink as you spray it onto a page. As I understand it, if you want to read on a bus, train, or plane, it's cheaper to buy a professionally printed book than to print one using the inkjet printer that most major personal computer makers bundle with home PCs.
i can get ink and paper for less than 60 bucks and print hundreds of dollars worth of books
and still make out for less when i buy my binders and dividers and my hole puncher
If it's really really long, I'll just save the paper and read it on the computer. I like to avoid spending money at all costs (Padum pum symbol crash).
hehe, i prefer paper over a monitor. i have most of my NES docs printed as well as datasheets n stuff.
I've always pronounced 6502 as "sixty-five-oh-too".
Though most often, I pronounce it in Swedish, as "sexti-fem-noll-två" :)
Bananmos wrote:
I've always pronounced 6502 as "sixty-five-oh-too".
Though most often, I pronounce it in Swedish, as "sexti-fem-noll-två"
i was wondering what notthecommondose was saying lol. thought it was someone's name.
NotTheCommonDose wrote:
six-fyve-oe-too and do you have the printouts?
this might be what you're looking for
Bananmos wrote:
I've always pronounced 6502 as "sixty-five-oh-too".
Same here... but in portuguese, I say one number at a time: "meia-cinco-zero-dois", with "meia" (half, as in "half a dozen") in place of "seis" (six), as is common with phone numbers here in Brazil, so it does sound like part of a phone number.
Laserbeak43 wrote:
NotTheCommonDose wrote:
six-fyve-oe-too and do you have the printouts?
this might be what you're looking for
Do I need the book still with that document?
NotTheCommonDose wrote:
Laserbeak43 wrote:
NotTheCommonDose wrote:
six-fyve-oe-too and do you have the printouts?
this might be what you're looking for
Do I need the book still with that document?
actually i still asked in #nesdev and for catridge pinouts someone suggest ed mr. horton's "NES cart types" doc.
the book has some major ins and outs of the 6502 and some exercises. it'd be worth it if you do get it. but with all the documentation online, buying anything is optional IM"H"O
You know, now that I look back on it, I really wish I would have had a book on the 6502 when I traveled. I went to Florida a couple of years ago, and I really wanted to learn more, but I relied to heavily on the internet.
Well, actually, having a book on the 6502 may not have helped as much as just printing out the documents I read on the computer.
I say "six-five-oh-two", "roku-go-zero-ni", and "seis-cinco-cero-dos". Actually, I'm kinda kidding about the other two that aren't English. I know a little Spanish and a little Japanese, but not enough to say that I commonly use those two pronunciations.
six-five-oh-two babay!!!!
best thing to do is just get everybook you can find on 6502. i had like 8 different ones at one time. there are so many. it helps alot whenever you get stuck or just get tierd of the same author. plus many different sources is best when studying a subject. checkout
http://www.Alibris.com they have some pretty rare books sometimes for cheap.
also i found some usful information in vintage magazine like MICRO magazines and such.
this aught to keep you an everyone busy.
http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/mags.htm
Look at "Atari Roots" by Mark Andrews. If you can get past the title "Atari...", everything in this book applies to the NES.
I've found alot of the Atari books written in the early 80's are great for learning 6502 ASM.
Another one is "Machine Language for Beginners" by Richard Mansfield.